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quote: Uconn, Can you double check this. We used to be able to put them in with no problems as long as they had a complete discharge (i.e. no IRR equivelant time left). Had a friend that was an AF medic and former officer in RAF, the RAF MPs picked him up at his barracks. He was being reactivated for the little war Britian had in South America. Not sure how the AF worked this, I think they sent him TAD. After this incident though they wanted proof of final discharge and no chance of recall from original country. |
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As for your education it will need to be evaluated to determine your status. Each service runs this a little different, just make sure you can provide your recruiter with a copy of your diploma and transcripts (transcripts preferred).
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high school diploma? we do the west african senior school certificate exam here in west africa.
can i use this in enlisting,can i become a commisioned officer through promotion? thanks in advance. c |
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To become an officer you have to be a US citizen.
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quote: Are you 100% sure of this? We have conscription here in Sweden so I have done military service. Would be nice to get a sure answer to this before I go ahead and dive into this. |
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Says a member of another services armed forces cannot join ours.
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What are you refering to as a "green card"?
I have a permanent residency card - would I be able to enlist? Thank you. |
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If you got a permanent resident visa, you have a "green card" witch is slang for a permit to work in the USA.
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Thank you for your prompt reply! And it was the answer I was looking for! Thank you!
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"Also, if you served in another country's military, you cannot join the US military afterwards."
Is this really true? I've done my military service (12 months) as a conscript in the Finnish military. I'm currently in my country's army reserve. Am I able to enlist in the U.S. armed forces? I've been surfing the websites of Navy and Army but I didn't come across anything like quoted above. |
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What they mean is that if you're currently on contract in another nations army, such as IRF contract or active duty for that matter, or homeguard, then they will not take you in. It's sensible, because you would then be a deserter from your country of origin's army. Once a deserter, allways a deserter.
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quote: That's what I thought... I chatted with Army recruiters in goarmy.com and they all said that it's OK to join if you have served in another country's military. However you can't join if you are currently serving.  |
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1. Your status as a former member of another nations armed forces does not matter in terms of joining US military - ie: no special treatment.
2. You MUST be a citizen or legal resident (have a green card) in order to join. If you don't have one (through INS, the military cannot help you here), the military cannot deal with you. Note: I am going through this process myself, and my post is simply based on my knowledge - which I am absolutely sure is correct. =) [This message was edited by Grannyapple on Mon, 15 November 2004 at 14:36.] |
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but it depends on what country's military you are in.
SSgt Tabury, Former USAF Active Duty Recruiter and Military.com Moderator |
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The President of the United States signed legislation that supports SSgt Tabury's remarks. Simply put, any foreign national who serves in the U.S. Military will be automatically eligible for U.S. citizenship. I will try to remember to post the exact wording on this site next week. Good Luck Pete!
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I'll add
Non U.S. Citizens cannot hold a Secret Clearance and thus cannot serve aboard a Submarine. |
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quote: This is absolutely correct, if you have served in any other country's military you can not "enlist" in the Air Force. Can't remember exactly what page it was but there is a table explaining eligibility required to join the Air Force, while it is not possible to become enlisted, an applicant may apply to become an officer in the Air Force provided they are US citizens, regardless of their prior foreign military experience. However, like Sgt. Tabury said it depends on where applicant is originally from. I remember seeing an interview of a former Russian officer, now 2nd Lt. in the USAF and this was on the official AF website. quote: It is the Executive Order # 13269. Any non-US citizen service member who served on or after Sept. 11 is eligible to apply for naturalization without waiting 3-5 years to fulfill residence requirements. However, if you are a student and going thru training you might as well wait before applying for citizenship because there will be a lot of address changes. Also USCIS recently waived the application fee for service members which is around $350. Once you are at your permanent duty station you can apply. If you get deployed, your service branch can send a memorandum to USCIS and your application will be transferred to Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Korea, wherever.... and you will be able to take the oath over there. Still it is at least 1-2 years of process for military members, especially for Army. quote: This is bull... you need to think a little more before you speak, there are many countries on the globe that forces its citizens to do mandatory military service. I am against this. I know many people includng me who don't want to do that. You pretty much have to desert that service because it is not what you believe. Now if I want to be an American Soldier and don't want to do a mandatory crap in the country of origin, how does this make us deserters? If you only meant those who desert their active duty, I have no objections to that however people who don't want to do their mandatory service are called deserters by some and I am against that.... I think this is a very good thread and this forum needed one. Being an immigrant who is in the Army and researched about the Air Force for a while, please ask your questions here, I may be able to assist you and save some time for recruiters. |
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"Also, if you served in another country's military, you cannot join the US military afterwards."
Does this include the British TA (or weekend army) because I was planning on joining to get through university here before I moved to the US. |
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weird that some of you say that you need a green card to join the US Armed forces. Im a Canadian and I know of a few Canadians who are currently serving in the Marines and some of them had only a student visa. I think it depends on the country...but correct me if Im wrong about that part.
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Well we have a statement and a question. Knowing Navy Regs and that there are usually ways around them via chain of command, we would like any feedback anyone has to offer. DavenYumiko@msn.com
My wife, who has her green card, wnats desperately to enlist in the US Navy. She however, has a CR1 clasification on the card. We are not youngsters, she 34 (age limit pressure) and I am 57...She wants to make the Navy a carreer. She has her masters from Hawaii Pacific and desiers to become an officer via the LDO program once other requierments are met. The question is......as with all Navy Regs there are wavers allowed...who do we contact?, and how do we go about doing this. This isn't a lark on her part, we have discussed this at length and everything is filled out and a go except for that one little classification (CR1) on her permanent resident card. From our research we have found this to be a Navy Reg. and not something from the Dept. of Homeland Security preventing her enlistment. We are ready to go as far up as we can to resolve this delima, we are starting at our recruiter level hoping he will go along with us and help us through his chain of command possibly getting a regional commanders wavier. ANY help and or advice would be greatfully considered. Thank You, Dave and Yumiko Scoville(formerly BU1 USN) |
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I want to jion the army and am from ghana as for that one too what are u going do about it never save military i stay in ghana technical student.
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quote: what the hell that is supposed to say? lets start using some freakin punctuation shall we!  |
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I'm a 20 year old swedish male who's interested in joining the US army. I refused to do mandatory service here in Sweden because of various ideological reasons.
Anybody know which visa/application to use, or even a link to a webpage would be grateful. Thanks in advance. |
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quote: The CR1 on her LPR card is NOT a Navy Reg. It is a DHS code stating that her LPR is on a "Conditional" basis. Meaning, she has to meet certain requirements prior to having that status removed. Now, she may have already meet them and just hasn't had the card updated. I don't know. |
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My mistake above, I thought you were saying that a Navy reg is where the CR1 came from... Since there is a condition on the LPR card she will not be able to enlist because she has not meet all requirements for permanent LPR status. She is not even guaranteed that she'll keep her LPR status. This will make it difficult for you to convince anyone to give her a waiver.
Also, on the CR1 status, if you do not apply to have the condition removed 90 days prior to the CR1. If you do not apply to remove the conditions in time, you could lose your conditional resident status and be removed from the country. (I was a District Adjudications Officer for INS. My job was to grant or deny LPR to immigrants) Look at INA 216 for the regulations on CR1 status and 8 CFR 216 to find out if she meets the conditions to have it removed. Also, one of the conditions for the LDO program is that she needs to be a US citizen, not LPR. |
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ummm... hello can someone answer my question please?
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I called a buddy from the Army who has prior service in the military of another country, and he said you have to apply for a waiver.
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quote: not true. we have people in the US Army that were in foreign Armies. still have to meet our eligibility requirements. the same as a non prior service applicant. |
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This is what my Air Force Regulation states. Thought it would be the same for all services. Guess thats what happens when the AF guy is the only one answering questions.
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i graduated respiratory therapy & dental hygienist in philippines,im turning 35 yrs old this april.i thinking to take a exam this january.i wanna know if i get accelirate for e-4 and if i catch the next training(bootcamp).
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Not sure if you can get a waiver but you are already past the age limit ...
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/f/faqenlage.htm |
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is an immigrant visa the same as green card?
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No, a visa is not the same thing. A visa just allows you to enter the US for a specified amount of time. Some visa's will not allow you to apply for residence as well. Others, such as certain work visas, will.
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If you receive an immigrant visa following a sponsorship application like I-130 or I-140, then you might be eligible to apply for adjustment status and ultimately get a greencard.
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OK thanks guys. I won't rest till I get that green card...
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quote:How do I get the green card? |
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quote:How do I get the green card? And if I have some family members living in the States can I get a permanent residents permit through them? |
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To whom it may concern;
I have been contenplating a move to the United States as a trained Paramedic and have some questions about joining the mighty United States Army (Reserve). And have some questions pretaining to enrollment as well as Reserve career options. Anyone with any idea or know if someone with answers to the following questions please contact me at anytime at sking_77@hotmail.com. 1) What excatly is the process whereby someone who is legally working in the U.S. with a green card joins the Reserves? 2) How long is a Reserve contract for? (i.e) How long do you sign up for? 3) Do you have the option of picking your career in the Reserves? (i.e.) Armour? 4) Where are Reserve or National Guard Armored Troops located? I ask this because that would be my pick of career and for logistics id rather research jobs at more specific locations. 5) How would i get into contact with some fellow Cancuks who might have went through, or are going through the same type situation? Please allow me to thank anyone who can post some sort of reply that could help me in anyway. Stephen King |
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hey, i am a korean citizen and want to join the us army or the air force. im 19 years old,i've lived in the states for 10 years but i have no citizenship, a green card what so ever and im back in korea. can i join the military or the air force? i did read about the non us citizens not being able to become an officer but i do not know what that is and need an answer because i want to join badly and would apperciate it if you could reply to me at shanefromsaltlake@yahoo.com thank you.
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quote: No |
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Since I am a green card holder does this mean I am given citizenship status because of my military service ? Or do I have to go thru steps of filing for citizenship ?
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My new husband does not have his green card and he told a marine recruiter that he was an married alien without one, who said that if he joins the marines he WILL get his green card with no problem. Was he misunderstood? (My husband is trying to avoid long paperwork and wait times, and wants to join the military real bad)
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I hope I didn't (or not taking up space) I noticed above (which I failed to read) that recruiters DO NOT HAVE ANY SAY ON GETTING A PERSON THEIR GREEN CARD. My question was answered. (I'll scroll thru before I ask) SORRY!
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quote: No... quote: Yes... |
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i want to be a US marine and am making process to be in US to carry on with my darling discipline(US MARINE).a retired soldier from nigerian army,and 27yrs old.
I salute sincerely, Dickson. |
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Immigrate to the US legally first and receive your green card, then the rest is easy, you may want to check the age limit in order to join the Marines...
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I have a student visa, I'm studying the 10th grade now,and I'm mexican, am I going to be elegible to join the marines once I graduate? if not, what do I have to do?
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By the time you are about to graduate all the branches will talk to you and you will have the ASVAB taken anyway... Make sure you tell them the situation. You can't join unless you are a legal resident in the US. If your parents are legal residents then you can get a greencard, but if not there isn't anything you can do to join until you get a greencard.
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I'm studying in a military academy,so that means that my parents are living in mexico but I'm living and studing here at the united states. By the time I graduate I'll have about three years studying and living here. so is it possible to get the green card in that time while I'm studying? and I'm also taking the MCJROTC as associate member, is that going to help me to join the army or the marines? thanks for replying so fast
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No nothing you do in the military counts for your legal immmigrant status, unless you are in active duty... You are in non-immigrant status and most likely you have an expiration date on the visa, you will have to go back to Mexico once that is over... Someone needs to sponsor you in order for you to get a greencard, like a US citizen family member (ie spouse, immediate relative like a brother) or a US employer... US Military doesn't sponsor for immigrant visa or a green card.
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I would like to ask the same question as Von_Anka Did
(However i am not swedish) ---------------------------------------------------- posted by Von_Anka I'm a 20 year old swedish male who's interested in joining the US army. I refused to do mandatory service here in Sweden because of various ideological reasons. Anybody know which visa/application to use, or even a link to a webpage would be grateful. Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------------- Is there a website which reveals which Visa/Green card to use if someone wished to join the US Military? Thank you all |
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quote: There is no visa/greencard offered for someone wanting to join the US military. |
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quote: http://www.dvlottery.state.gov/ I would estimate that this will take you about 2-3 years. Next time you can apply is december 2005. If i was you i would get some college credits at a local school while you wait, if you dont change your mind  |
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Hi There! I'm a 21 yr old Canadian graduating with a university degree in the Spring. I'm looking to join the US Navy or Marines(enlisting first to get citizenship, and then become an officer)
Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to get a Green Card to enlist? I know recruiters can't help me but I'm wondering what will work best to get me to the US. I'm open to doing anything. Thanks in advance for the replies. |
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I'm mexican and I'll like to know, if I join the marines can I become part of the force recon?
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I am also interested in joining the army also I am resident right now soon to become a citizen is it possible you can give me some advise from your perspective on army? email is arkware@gmail.com
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There isn't a best way to get a green card but there are legal venues to obtain one. You can read about greencards on www.uscis.gov The Immigration Service has put some good information on who can or who can not immigrate to the US.
Diversity Lottery, Family Sponsorship or Employer Sponsorship are the ways to immigrate to the US legally as a resident.
Unless these ways are illegal. You might get banned from entering the US for the rest of your life. I am not saying you will do anything illegal but there are a lot of people out there to get your money and provide you false documents.
If you have a greencard you can join the Marines regardless of your ethnic background... What I mean is you can be a mexican and have a greencard and join the Marines, unless enlistment in the Force Recon or their MOS requires Security Clearance...
Contact me via my email for detailed questions if you like... |
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 DutchI'm a Dutch citizen, and ashamed of it... My country, till now, joined the fight for freedom in Iraq, but is now leaving with the tail between the legs. That's why I now want to join the US Army, I think it is my duty. Please tell me where I can sign on, and I'll be there. |
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am a NIGERIA i want to join the us marine what is the prosse
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I have a DHS work authorization permit. This is being issued while waiting for the actual "green card". Question: CAN I JOIN THE NAVAL RESERVE using my work authorization permit?
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No. You must have your LPR card (green card) prior to enlisting. You're DHS work authorization is not a guarantee that you will be granted LPR status. |
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Thanks... so, i guess - i just have to wait, huh! |
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I have never posted before but I have been a fly on the wall for some time now. I noticed that you said that a spouce could sponsor you. How upto date are you on immigration? Why I ask is because I have seen a immigration lawier for some time to try and get my husband a green card and quite frankly I have been told that they have not been doing anything like that sence 9/11. If they have I think I need to find a new lawier. If you know something I do not please tell. By the way my name is Jennifer Moore. |
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I am pretty up to date about spouse sponsored immigration and I follow the regs since I have been into removal proceedings, got the terminated and obtained a green card through my spouse. You are a US citizen and you have a husband who entered the US legally (on some sort of status) can stay and adjust status to permanent resident while he is here in the US. Nothing changed about the regs since the September 11 but the security background checks or maybe filing fees. If your husband has entered the US illegally then he has to go back and file a waiver to come back. You can talk to us here: www.immigrate2us.net |
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muhammed faal
P.o.box3310 serrekunda THE GAMBIA WEST AFRICA faal1234@hotmail.com Admission office US Army Dear sir/madam, APPLICATION FOR ADMISSION I have the most respectable honor to apply for admission in your well-establish had military as it is recommended as one of the best military in the world.nd i really want to be one of u.s.a solger.to defend the u.s.a aginst the tororrist and against the u.s.a animies.sir my brother is in the u.s.a for more than 5 years .and my other brother is in gamany for more than 10 years.my olnly proplem is visa (the green card) i want to ceakrifies my life to defend the u.s against there animies i swear to god .. I am a Gambian nationality. I graduated from senior and sat for the West Africa Senior School Certificate examination (W.A.S.S.C.E). I am therefore ambitions to further the rest of my career in a nation whose military is greatly value by the world. I am kindly looking forward to hearing from you as early as possible. THANK YOU Yours faithfully, muhammed faal |
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If your brother is a US Citizen already then he can petition for you to come to the US on a greencard, other than that, there is nothing much to do for you but get a greencard in order to join the US Military. |
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Okay, let’s just say my husband has received a letter from the IRS stating that they acknowledge that he is married to a US Citizen and that he is on the list for a green card. Can my husband enlist in the U.S. Army while on the waiting list or does he have to actually receive his green card before enlisting even though he has documents from the IRS stating that he is legit and will receive a green card? Given he does have his passport and a Dallas mortiqula from his country and his IRS Tax ID #. Also, I have filed his I-130, do you know of anything else I should file? My husband is serious about joining and has scheduled a meeting with a lawyer and the following week with a recruiter. If you have any advice it would be greatly appreciated.
Oh, on a smaller note I have been told that to go back to your country was a breach in contract and if you were illegal to try to fix it was nearly impossible to do because it was like admiting to breaking the law and turning yourself in. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Sanchez85, |
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What if I have both Canadian and American citizenship through my parents and have served 5 years in the Canadian Military. I have been honorably dischared. Can I still serve in the US military?
Thanks for your help, Mich
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Okay, let’s go!
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I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand. Being on a "waiting list" to interview for a green card is, in no way, the same as having one. He obiviously hasn't been guarenteed it because you say you have filed his I-30 and are wondering about other documents. Also, if he left the country, without prior approval, he did break the restrictions and needs to fess up. Especially if he wants to enlist. When you enlist you must state how many times you left the country and when. It'll be found out. If he decides to lie then I hope he gets caught. |
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Dear Jennifer, I don't know your husbands exact situation. your husband needs a greencard to join the military NOTHING ELSE. He has to have the form I-551, either temporary one or the actual one. If he entered this country illegally it is very hard to adjust to permanent resident status but not impossible, if this is the situation be prepared to get baptized by fire, because you will go thru a lot of trials and hardships. If your husband is honest, there is chance. But there are many who cross the border with different IDs, committ crimes and such, it will be a hard journey. In immigration, you are guilty until you are proven innocent, exactly opposite of the law... Go to the website I provided. |
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You can't compare criminal law with Immigration law. You're not "guilty" they mearly ask a set of questions to ensure you haven't broken Immigraiton Laws. Which they should. |
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Come on now Lt., if you have relatives who went thru immigration struggle especially after Sept 11, you will understand what I mean, on the hand I was not giving a comparison WHATSOEVER, so let the experienced do the talking. I was merely giving an analogy. I was not intending to sound like criminal law is EXACTLY opposite of immigration law per se. However you got the point wrong. After September 11 I was put on removal proceedings, despite my love for this country, on a simple visa technicality which they didn't even bother to worry about in the past. I didn't ***** and whine and went thru the what the law required! I literally had to prove my good faith relationship to my wife, my intentions in this country, etc. Like I said I didn't ***** and whine, if that is what it takes to become an asset to this country, I will go the distance and I did thankfully. So when I said what I said, I meant you have to prove yourself to the immigration service that you are a loyal immigrant or a potential asset to the country and want to immigrate, and they ask you the whatever questions you may have, so that they will not think that you are another shammer who wants a piece of the US, to breed and suck on welfare... Hope that made it clear. |
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I was an Immigration Officer after Sept. 11. My job was to determine if people should receive their LPR card. So I know exactly what you had to go through. Yes, it sucks that prior to 9/11 the visa wasn't an issue; however, it is very understandable that it was after 9/11. I think it should have been prior to that but the government did. Glad you got it worked out.
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Well nice to have you here then...
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If i get a work permit can i inlist
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No you can't, you will need a green card to enlist..
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I can try... Plus, I still have friends in the INS. |
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Does a work permit = LPR status??? NO... So, as Bushmaster said, NO. I know you mentioned it above Bushmaster but since people keep asking the same questions I thought I should give them duplicate answers. |
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Yes, people unfortunately keep asking the same questions even they are already asked and are on this very same page. But people also have the mindset that US immigration laws might still be in its old, non-reformed state so people are hopeful to try any loophole that they are suggested. Not many loopholes left in the immigration system since the 96 reforms in the law and after Sept 11. I see this all the time on immigration forums.
Anyway, here is a question, actually my only question left remaining about these immigration matters. I have got different responses and especially INS officers doesn't seem to understand the situation. There are many people like me who are in the service who also are conditional residents. Normally a person has to remove the conditional status in order to become eligible for naturalization in marriage based cases. However right now we are qualified through INA 329 since we are actively involved in military operations against hostile forces and there is an EO13269 effective for this. I am thinking I should be eligible directly for naturalization on military grounds and my conditional status should not affect this. But 2 INS officers I talked to said, no I have to file a I-751 petition to remove conditions and then apply for naturalization. I read the INA 329 again, and again and here it is for you to read; http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-21/slb-8879?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm#slb-act329 The section of the law says, you only need to be physically present in the states during the time of enlistment, it doesn't require any LPR status. I want to go ahead and file my Naturalization application but I am afraid it would be returned and then I am going to have to hire a lawyer for them to read the law. What do you think? |
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Dear, sirs.
I am the member of www.Military.com My name is Vladimir. I’m 26. I welcome the opportunity to join the American Military (U. S. MARINES) and should be glad to have full information how to join the Military if I’m not the resident alien. - Are there recruiter’s centers in Ukraine? - Could you help me to get Visa? - Have I to place my CV and where? A prompt reply will be appreciated. Yours faithfully, Abramov Vladimir. |
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While there is a statutory requirement that only a United States Citizen may become a commissioned officer, this is not true for enlistment. Certain non-citizens can enlist in the United States Armed Forces. To be eligible to enlist, a non-citizen must: (1) Entered the United States on a permanent residence visa or has an Alien Registration Receipt Card (INS Form 1-551/I-551 greencard or stamped I-94), and (2) Established a bona fide residence, and (3) Established a home of record in the United States. The visa and/or "greencard" must have sufficient time remaining on it (expiration date) to be valid during the entire term on enlistment. While non-citizens may enlist in the U.S. Military, they are not allowed to reenlist We get lots of email from non-U.S. citizens, who do not live in the U.S., asking how they can join the U.S. Military. Quite simply, you can't. In order to join any branch of the United States Military, one must either be a U.S. Citizen, or one must be a legal immigrant, currently living in the United States, with a "green card." The United States Military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. In order to join the U.S. Military, one must legally immigrate first, and then apply to join the military, once they are living in the U.S. For enlistment purposes, citizens of the United States include citizens of: Guam, Puerto Rico, The U.S. Virgin Islands,The Northern Marianas Islands, American Samoa, The Federated States of Micronesia, and The Republic of the Marshall Islands. Not all non-citizens may be eligible to enlist. Applicants who have been residents of countries considered hostile to the interests of the United States require a waiver. See your local recruiter for the most current list of countries considered hostile to the interests of the United States. While non-citizens may enlist, they will find their job choices extremely limited. DOD policy prohibits granting security clearances to non-U.S. Citizens. Therefore, non-Citizens. who enlist in the United States military will be limited to those jobs which do not require a security clearance. |
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Are we sure about the bar against people who used to be in foreign armed services? I serve with an ex-Canadian F-18 pilot.
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Don't know Navy's requirements, is he still doing his old job? I only know that for AF enlistment it is a no-go...
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Ireally want to join the army but am from nigeria,what and why i join.
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Bushmaster, I really don't envy for hosting this thread
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Off the top of my head I would say that you would need to have the "conditional" status removed because you aren't considered a bonified LPR. The reason? There's a condititional status attached to your residency. By INS law, regardless of INA 329, you must have the conditional status removed to be considered good-to-go on your LPR status. You can't do that with a N-400. Having the CR removed shouldn't be that difficult though. |
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it is confusing because I was trying to get a brother to join the navy and he had a valid visa and the recruiter told me that they could accept him if he had already applied for the Green card and if it was already in the system.
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The recruiter probably ment that if you are about to recive a green card he can start processing your information, have you take the ASVAB etc. Though, you can't sign a contract without haveing your greencard. |
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Question: Can one enlist into the US Army/Navy with a CONDITIONAL Permanent Resident status? as opposed to LEGAL Permanent Resident status.
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ohh... good question and one that hasn't been asked yet.... I'm not sure. I'll have to leave this one up to the Pro's in recruiting. |
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Yes, one can enlist with a CR status in either Navy or Army, because I did, only service that doesn't accept CRs is the Airforce. PSB's should also assist soldiers in filing I-751 removal of conditions petition...
Technically what you say is right Lt, and this is what every single INS officer would think during peace time or even under INA 328, citizenship through military service. But they don't consider the INA 329. We can't just say "regardless of INA 329" because that is what President signed and activated a couple years ago. As far I know, Immigration Nationality Act is part of Immigration Law at least my court proceedings where held according to INA and my relief from removal was in the INA. This section clearly states that there is no residency requirement. As clear as it seems, I am betting my life on it that someone is going to mess this up and I will have to wait forever again. I-751 petitions are way backlogged. Since I am going to Korea, they will wait a year until I am back, currently they are processing I-751s from 2003  Regardless, I will send in a N-400 and a I-751 when it is due. Just a quick question though, Section 329, INA This section applies to members of the U.S. Armed Forces who serve in active-duty status during authorized periods of conflict as outlined in the INA or any additional period designated by the President in an Executive Order.* * Recently, the President signed an Executive Order identifying September 11, 2001 and after as an authorized period of conflict. * Have you served honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces during an authorized period of conflict? * After enlistment, were you lawfully admitted as a permanent resident of the United States, OR at the time or enlistment, reenlistment, or induction were you physically present in the United States or qualifying territory? As far as Iknow, N-400 application does have a section asking under what category is the applicant applying for naturalization... It says "on the basis of qualifying military service" but how will the INS know which section oflaw, 328 or 329? One more edit; The guide to naturalization; http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/English.pdf Check out page 18; REQUIREMENTS If you: Performed active duty military service during: • World War I (November 11, 1916-April 6, 1917); • World War II (September 1, 1939-December 31, 1946); • Korea (June 25, 1950-July 1, 1955); • Vietnam (February 28, 1961-October 15, 1978); • Persian Gulf (August 2, 1990-April 11, 1991); or • On or after September 11, 2001. Time as Permanent Resident: You are not required to be a Permanent Resident. Note: If you did not enlist or reenlist in the United States or its outlying possessions, you must be a Permanent Resident on the day you file your application. This message has been edited. Last edited by: <Bushmaster78FS>, |
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INS should look at your service dates to determine which act you fall under. That would be the only way they could tell. The reason the law states that you don't have to be a resident is because there are a few illegal immigrants who enlist with fake LPR cards. (Shocker... I know)
It's odd that the law states that you don't have to be a permanent resident at the time of enlistment but you must be one at the time of application. There are sooo many variations in the law books I couldn't even hazard a guess. I'll look into it and get back to ya. Although, I agree that you should just file it anyway. |
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That is what I thought, but signing up with a fake card must be a federal crime... Never had any fake document issues, thank God, though I met a lot of people and I was even offered to get fake DL, greencard, I never did such thing....
It is quite odd, it should be more clear I think, yes, it says "after your enlistment, are you a LPR" and with a big "OR" "at the time of enlistment, were you physically present in the United States" This is why we hire lawyers I guess... I am not planning to hire one unless my N-400 is trned down. I will have him argue this section. Oh, yes, I enlisted in DEP in Jan 2004, and executive order 13269 was still in effect. As far as I know, it is still in effect. Thanks for the support Lt. |
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I really want to join the navy, but my problem is i only have a conditional green card, which is good for 2 years only, is it still possible for me to join?miko_fernando@yahoo.com
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Signing up with a fake ID card is a crime and they arrested about a dozen of illegals serving in AD roles after the first Destert Storm kicked off. None of them were granted LPR's or citizenship. I'm sure there was one special reason they added it. Anywho, I talked to a friend who works in citizenship said that you should be OK. Just fill out the CR paperwork, just in case, something changes. |
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Hi,
I am 25 years old working as a software professional in Bristol,PA. I am a citizen of INDIA. I hold a masters degree in computer science and an experience with DELL(INDIA) as a networking expert. I contacted one of the Guard recruiters and he told me that i can join the USGuard division. I really want to know clearly if it is true or not. I want to know if i can serve full time or not. It is my ambition to be with the best forces in the world. That is the reason i want to join. I dont have a UScitizenship or a greencard. Hope to hear soon from you at the earliest. I would really appreciate if you can mail me personally to my mail id: ramakri04@rediffmail.com Thank you, Have a great day!!! John. |
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