A good point but most martial arts training is geared towards the real deal, since most competetive fighters started somewhere or still discipline themselves in the martial arts they are trained for the dirty little tricks,like punching someone in the throat. now about experience, stepping on someones neck/head is as much instinct as anything in the thrill of a fight, MMA type guys have the experience of moving quickly, the mind is always on for guys like that, they assess a situation quickly, in a fight for life i have no doubt they'd be jabbing at the eyes and kneeing to the groin.
I have to question the gentleman's knowledge from the beginning sentance, as anyone with a basic knowledge of the UFC would know that only the first four tournaments were considered "no holds barred', as they soon implamented various rules until adapting the Unified Rules developed by the NJ athletic commission. But I digress...
Not even the miitary truly trains as they are expected to perform. If they did, everything would be live fire from day one and we would be shooting and knifing each other, sinking our own ships and downing our own planes. But you do train in as realistic a manner a possible, which is why Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is so effective, as there are not any moves that cannot be trained as in Japanese Jiu Jitsu. This is also why the Gracies developed their Combatives training course - you learn only the moves that have been shown to be used time and time again in real fights, about 30 moves), versus the entire catelog of 400 techniques. It is also why military and law enforcement incorporate versions of this course.
I would bet that this gentleman does not walk around during training kicking his students in the groin, pulling their hair and thrusting his thumbs into their eye sockets until the orbs ooze jelly. If he isn't, then how realistic is HE training?
DECooper respectfully some shao lin Kung Fu and Ninjitsu's do train for being struck in the groin by taking shots there. Even the Sumo who at higher levels can manipulate the position of the testicles by sucking them into there stomach region train to take realistic shots.
Many years experience has taught me that if hand to hand starts it does not usually last for more than ten seconds. I personally found Ju jitsu which means military style is far more effective only because it encompassed multiple combat ranges ie; Kicking,punching,grappling and ground fighting.
Mixing styles with Ju jitsu creates a fighting system effective for and unique to a person (Hence the term "ART") Martial Arts is an art.
I heard a story from a SEAL that seems apropos. He and his buddies were on cold weather training up on Mount Washington in New England, back in the 70s. Afterwards, they ended up in some lumberjack bar somewhere, filled with surly, drunk, unemployed backwoods types. The SEALs still had their heads shaved and all, so they stood out.
One thing leads to another, and they all get into it. The SEALs are slightly outnumbered, but they figure they got the upper hand, what with all the hand to hand, Michael Echanis-type stuff they were doing at the time.
The lumberjacks hunker down behind the bar and pool tables, and start pelting them with bottles and billiard balls. The SEALs beat feet.
Sometimes, discretion's the better part of valor, AND training.
Wow!! Martial Arts and street fighting--geez, am too old for either, but the first pad in the forefinger is still acceptable---will cause a .45 to fire in the direction it's pointed--yeah---gimmie that and I'll think I'll win against most badboyz.
There's a huge difference between someone trying to attack you with MMA techniques and someone who is trying to kill you. Most martial arts don't teach real no B.S. self defense techniques. The only one I've seen that does is Israeli Krav Maga.
ive fought probably more than polite society would like.
In a fight the things that matter the most in order are are your fitness, your willingness to take pain and continue with what know to do and finally keeping cool to let your training or your experience do the job.
the last one is a bit different from what you've heard but many experienced fighter has been beaten by someone who has trained more.
Most martial arts are sports like tae kwan do, others are defensive in nature such as most kung fu, some are super specialized like Brazilian Jujitsu.
They are 3 combat arts one was mentioned before Krav Maga, Sambo which was developed by the USSR and Pancres which was created in ancient Greece and still practiced to day
Something I've discovered in my experience in Martial Arts is the importance of Mindset. Any one with formal training will almost always follow the mindset that that school teaches regardless of instinct. It's why schools that focus on competitions don't fair well when put in the bar scene. Because of that it doesn't matter how devistating and dominant the techniques are, if the school doesn't teach the combat mindset, that fighter will lose. It's why I like Krav Maga so much; my first beginner class was basically teaching you how to kick someones nuts into their nostrils and following it up with a blow to the back of the head.
As an experienced MMA fighter, I'm gonna have to agree with the fact that you don't have time to "think" about what "move" you're going to do in a street fight... BUT, I've had thousands of different punches thrown at me, from jabs to haymakers, and since I've seen them over and over I instinctively react in a proven, effective way, ALL because of MMA training. That being said, I know the difference between a sparring partner who will stop when I tapout and someone who is trying to send me to the hospital, and I have the where-with-all and knowledge in a street fight to incapacitate the guy quickly, dirty tricks or not. You'd be an idiot to bet on a "street fighter" over a trained MMA fighter...
I have trained for 3 years in competitieve boxing, 2 years in jijitsu, and learned that both the fighting sports wont get you any where, the same thing counts for mixed martial arts, because they teach you to fight in a ring not on the street, now i train in krav maga, wich is a combat contact self-defense designed for the musad and other isrealie special operation forces, it is alot like mixed martial arts but then more reality based, you also train alot with knives and guns, alot of the special operation forces world wide are chosing for krav maga now because its the most effective, so my advice is, check it out, you'll love it, and it is very effectieve and easy to learn.
1) Why is one man's fighting art form better than the other? 2) Why does a professional fighter lose to someone with no trained skills? 3) Why did the United States military not have a standard for controlling human violence in close combat? 4) Why does every law enforcement agency have a different defensive tactic course? 5) Why is there no science to human movement for a violent action? 6) Why indeed- as we start the 21st century no one has a defined the scientific path to this much-needed science of human control. In this day and age law enforcement agencies still struggle to find a well-defined set of principles for human control in a violent action. Principles that will reduce liability decrease injury to the subject and increase safety for the officer.
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