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Finely, he quits apologizing for his adopted country. Modern nations do not have to keep apologizing for historical perceptions of wrongs committed by our ancestors. The CIA probably saved Chile from being wrecked by a communist government. Who will save us?
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Adopted country? Explain.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." - T. Jefferson |
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A curious post indeed. Care to elaborate? |
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Come on, Jack.. you know, born in Kenya or where ever... fake birth certificate, really just a birth record... you know the theory.
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I would list it in the tin foil hat birth certificate catagory.
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That's not a theory, its a fantasy. Wishful thinking, etc. But other than that his post is interesting. Salvador Allende was a freely elected Marxist in Chile, a very Western/European kind of country. The simple fact that he was Marxist by nature, but more of a European style Socialist when it came to governing, the CIA took it upon themselves to finance his overthrow and were successful at t. They replaced him with their puppet, one Gen. Augusto Pinochet who went about jailng hundreds of thousands and secretly murdering a vast majority of them, dumping their bodys in unmarked mass graves, in rivers, everywhere, still bound and having the marks of extreme torture. Those murdered were not only men, but women and in some cases children. Pinochet himself had to go into hiding/exile after he was overthrown. So what did the Chilean people gain from our "helping" them get rid of a Marxist/Socialst who killed nobody? If any country deserves and apology, it would be Chile. "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." - T. Jefferson |
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Good points. Plus, ApacheBlue - 5 posts.  - |
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While in the military stationed overseas I found that news coming from our allied nations were critical of the United States for promoting democracy with one hand and striking down democracy - free elections - with the other, as was the case in Chile. I don't know what the newspapers in South America are saying, but I think an apology would strengthen our position, not weaken it. An added note. We deny Cuba free trade because (1) they hold political prisoners, and because (2) they are a communist nation. (There is a third possibility and that the import of Cuban sugar cane may damage U.S. sugar production.) Yet, after the 1968 Tet Offensive in Viet Nam, the United States sought to negotiate peace with the North Vietnamese and undermine the (free) government of South Viet Nam. Also during this time the United States sought to improve relations with the People's Republic of China, a country that (1) holds political prisoners, (2) is a communist nation, (3) and who was directly or indirectly responsible for killing thousands of American soldiers in Korea and Viet Nam. It is said that Mao told his people that you can defeat your enemy without firing a shot. Enough said. See you at Wal-Mart.
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Again, a Communist take over American companies without a spending a coin, much on the order of Castro, Hugo. Big thriving businesses that kept people working and government well healed from the profits. Hugo found he couldn't run the oil wells, couldn't keep bread and milk in the stores, so he took over the stores. Surprise no one wants to buy the oil leases today. Allende went from a money making country to something like 3000 % inflation in a matter of months, giving handouts for the next election cycle and giving to those that didn't work for it. I know that sounds like our current resident in the White House, but I'm still talking about Allende, he too is the guy that was freely elected and then turned the country into a bigger basketcase.
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suspended pending review,Nemesis |
Gosh, another apology for a bunch of mass murderers who overthrew a democratically elected government, which under Allende stayed a Democratic country. And if Obama wins next time around, you going to advocate overthrowing him in the name of Freedom and Democracy? Our government spent MILLIONS to destroy the Chilean economy, what a surprise that we succeded. Naturally the right thing to do is blame the victims. Well, don't sweat it, your hero Pinochet murdered as many people as he could, even if it meant shooting them down in America. Dave |
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This in IN THE NEWS, the TOS requires that we start with a NEWS ARTICLE, non hot linked... Otherwise, please take it over to Point/Counterpoint!... THANK YOU!... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Allenda, Marxist. Cheerleader Dave. Talk to your bud Kim thiws morning? Actually, I was wrong. The Chilian economy increased the first years of his reign, which was won by a 36% vote. By the third year, government socialism took its toll increasing almost 300%. Mining fell on its face, the industry in agricultural including Purina, Monsanto, etc. taken over became a graveyard. Your looking for apologies in fighting communist again Dave. Becoming a habit with you. Might check your allegience when you have a moment. But. Yes America pulled away from Chili, I can't honestly say how many people would accept a government that forcibly ran your patriats out of their country. Weired sense of loyalty if you can justify these unilateral take overs. Don't have to justify Pinochet. Militqary dictators seldom work out for very long. His was a extended tour. His was also the second or third attempt of shedding Allene. One was put down with the military and their legislature voted Allende's dismissal in office. So your commie friend was not well loved. "Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right," Chavez joked on a live television broadcast. |
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Kim tells me that your a liar. That the Chilean Congress, never impeached him, or took him out of office. Indeed, Kim tells me to look at the documentation released under the Freedom of Information act, which reveals that we spent million of dollars to undermine the economy, not stopping at murder, robbers and staged demonstrations. Mind you, these are ALL US Docments, easily obtained, except by fanatics with an agenda. Your agenda being to excuse the overthrow of a duly elected government which commited not ONE illegal or unconstitutional act.
I guess you feel that he should be overthrown as well, and his supporters murdered by the hundreds of thousands. Par for the course to someone who lips sychs the word "Freedom," while doing their best to destroy it. The Chileans of course, HAD a long history of Democracy, and no Chilean would have the bald faced ability to claim that they were deprived of their ability to vote Allende out of office. Although pretty soon no doubt, the extreme right will demand we overthrow Obama because they don't have a vote - Translations, they don't have the Votes. It's almost hystrically funny that you ask about MY alliegiance. Mine is to the United States Constitution, yours appears to be to Corporate Monopolies and the WTO. Dave |
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Five, huh. That makes ApacheBlue an ace!  A link would have been helpful but AB is new. Gotta learn the ropes. |
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Dave
You're getting predictable, making things up when caught with your hands in the communist cookie jar. Salvador Allende was the president of Chile from 1970 until 1973, and head of the Popular Unity government; he was the first Marxist ever to be elected to the national presidency of a democracy.[1] His presidency was ended before he could complete a full term in office. During his tenure, Chilean politics ascended to a state of civil unrest amid strikes, lockouts, U.S. economic sanctions, an attempted coup in June 1973, the Resolution of August 22, 1973 in which the majority of Chile's Chamber of Deputies called for the military to restore order, and finally a successful coup on September 11, 1973, during which Allende committed suicide. The military removed the Allende government and established a military dictatorship under General Augusto Pinochet, terminating the period of Chilean history known as "Presidential Republic" (1925-1973). "Kim tells me that your a liar". Gee, Dave, that's sort of a compliment coming from pards like you two! |
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The question is should Obama apologize for the CIA's role in Chile? The answer should be yes. See 18043014 above.
Was President Obama born outside the United States? No. His critics have had years to prove this false claim. The FBI spent months months performing background checks on all the candidates. The answer again is no, unless you think the junior senator from Illinois somehow had the FBI in his pocket. Again, the answer is no. Do we expect other countries to apologize for their "mistakes." Yes. Japan and Germany apologized, but Israel did not after they attacked the USS Liberty for 3 hours and killed 33+ sailors. They claimed they did not see the U.S. flag aboard the ship that was in international waters when it was monitoring the Israeli-Egyptian war - when they mistook it for an Egptian cargo ship. This explanation comes from the country with probably the best intelligence apparatus in the world. Apparently everyone that day forgot to look at the book containing silhouettes of American and Egyptian ships. The Israelis, however, took time to scout the situation before attacking. It was a mistake, but not on the part of the Israelis, but on America. The message delivered that day was you do not monitor Israeli military activities. But I digress. President Obama should apologize for the CIA's role in Chile if only to strengthen relations with that country and with all of South America, and the President was born in the United States. |
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18043014
Your saying the sitting President has obligation of apoligizing for a country that took multiple American interest, nationalized them, ran the proprietors out without compensation, cutting off diplomatic contacts and cutting down the Embassy to zip. Why? Doesn't make sense. Chileans, once Allenda was in office less that three years wanted him gone and demanded the military to do so. CIA backing them, probably. I don't know. The fact remains Allende was the cause, not the CIA or for that matter, the American people and government. Get off kick of transferring blame to an agency that can't and will not defend itself. The US government from the President, Congress to the bus drivers shed no tears at the disappearance of Allende. Pinochet was a hero to the Chileans in 1973. Some say he over the years caused 3,000 death, some say 30,000 but most agree his torture range 70,000 to 90,000 ruling by fear. The CIA and the US citizens did not cause that to happen. You want to apologize fine, but do it in your own name. |
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suspended pending review,Nemesis |
As you can see from the above post by Ray, overthrowing Democratic governments is the Freedom loving thing to do. All you have to do is mention the Magic word, "Socialist," and mass murder, tyranny, oppression and genocide suddenly become desirable. You bet we should apologise to the People of Chile. We commited acts of war against them, and no amount of double talk will cover that up. The full story of our criminal assualt on Chile is easily obtained. How within weeks of his election we were systamatically destroying the country. Here are some of the documents obtained from US archives describing these assualts on Chiles free institutions. "http://www.picosearch.com/cgi-bin/ts.pl" Dave |
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 IT WOULD APPEAR SOME READ, BUT DO NOT FOLLOW THE INTENT OF A REQUEST; SUCH AS THE ONE FROM SUNLINER.....Ringo Sends  |
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Dave
It was them that did it not us. It was them, honest. It was them. Egads, it was. |
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