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RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,164670,00.html
It's a nice thought and all, but limiting the mobility, and the quick release malfunctioning..sounds to me like they should have sent out a prototype, then released the actual vest. That's one of the key pieces to a solider, and you don't want it malfunctioning in any way. Reminds me of what I've been told about Vietnam, how they handed out the "fantastic" new M-16's to soliders, and each one that got handed out was like a mark of death. Yeah, it was great, new, and some neat new features, but it jammed WAY to easy, and left you defenseless, and open to fire. I hope, for mine along with every other solider that will be, or is wearing this vest, that it doesnt malfunction in the heat of battle like the M-16's did... Which makes me wonder...has the vest been tested in an actual fire fight yet? And if it's new and improved, why was there no mention of improvements against fire...I mean, yeah, pockets are nice and all, but they don't catch bullets. |
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the vest offered called "Dragon Skin" is the premiere body armor available... yet, the military has refused to give it a shot for supposedly lack of credible testing... when it's really a lobbying issue against its manufacturers!!!
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It's always a trade off: the longer you test/develop/perfect, the longer it takes to field. Sometimes "perfect is the enemy of good enough". |
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Here we go again... |
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Now "Joe" is gonna b!t$h about any new type of equipment until he is used to it. Let's give is some field time to see how it works when it really counts. Then we can judge more accurately its effectiveness
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I wonder. How many of those DS posts are by Pinnacle employees? |
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I been using the vest for the last six months. It fit well and comfortable. It contained the heat. But keeps you warm in the winter. It is about four pounds heavier.
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i see they finally put in shoulder armor . It is about time. lowers fatalitites! Word to CT!
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That horse is dead, buried and has completely decomposed. Quit beating on it...
The IOTV is what our Troops are getting so now we have to teach them to use it and learn its idiosyncracies and adjust a bit to take full advantage of the additional coverage. Sarmajor
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The IOTV has been in limited use in-theater since last summer. Some of the initial bugs were caught and changed before it went to several larger, operational units last fall. It has been tested by fire and the people that I have talked to that used it have the same negative comments about it that they had about the IBA. I've used flak jackets and IBA but not this one. All are heavy, hot in the summer and take getting used to. The additional thickness and the quick release make this a better option. IBA and the IOTV with ESAPI both do well in a firefight and can take a direct hit from a 7.62 round.
Sarmajor
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kevo66
I agree totally with your observation about the draft. It was divisive and ripped the country apart during 'Nam, and it would be as bad or worse now. The draft is a crap shoot and inherently unfair, speaking as one whose lottery number was 24, while down at the end of the hall were room-mates both over 300 - I had to enlist or get drafted, they went on with their lives without a worry. If there is to be any kind of draft, it has to be mandatory and universal to be fair. This also will not happen. |
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I have recently mobilized a National Guard unit that was issued the new OTV vest. During the 3 months I spent with them, the comments I received were:
The vest hugs the body better and distributes the weight better. The sizing is closer to the Soldiers body composition. The major complaint that I have heard was the front flap that covers the cummerbund. When placing magazine pouches on the flap and having loaded magazines in the pouches, it’s very difficult to hold the flap up to properly don the vest. My suggestion to fix this issue would be to have an internal cummerbund (which the vest does and use 2” fast-X side release buckles on the sides. The 2” side straps should be integrated into the internal cummerbund so that they release when the vest “rip cord” is pulled. This would eliminate the front flap and make the vest more user friendly. However, I feel the best vest design is the Armor chassis offer by Crye Precision at http://www.cryeprecision.com/product1.asp?P=C04 On an unrelated issue I feel the MuiltiCam camouflage pattern also offered by Crye Precision is a entirely better than the current ACU pattern. Rumor has it we will be going to it by 2011. I have yet seen any answer given by the Army PEO office on how the ACU came to be. From what I know, the ACU pattern was not even entered in the tests the Army did to determine the new patter and was a last minute decision. Crye Precision has several comparison photos of their patter here http://www.multicampattern.com/IMAGES.htm Interested parties should check it out. Just my 2 cents. |
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Sounds like it sucks to have to get something new in the field and 'fix' it, but it sounds like it will save lives. As having a friend who died because he was trapped by his IBA a new quick release system puts my mind at ease. That being said you always have to take the good with the bad, the trade off seems to be the lack of air flow in the summer. Makes me worry more about heat injuries to troops in the summer, especially those coming into theather at the hot part of the year. I would hope and imagine that over the next year or two that improvements will be made to address the issues the vest has. I just wish there had been a quick release in Jan of 05.
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I was just issued this new vest the other day... it looks like it covers the body a bit better but the quick release does worry me... it did take a while to put back together although we didnt do a speed test....i guess it does need some field time though to see really see how it does....besides that i think its great ...untill we get sumthing else or a revised version
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I'm a Canadian. I'm glad to see that the soldiers of NATO countries are getting the best equipment that current technology can offer them.
 I feel very strongly about this issue. Our soldiers in southern Afghanistan have an even higher casualty rate than that of U.S. soldiers in Iraq. The Taliban are a different enemy from the Iraqi insurgents. Most of the fighting in Afghanistan is in open country, and the Taliban have been decimated every time that they've fought against the NATO soldiers in open battles. The Taliban in southern Afghanistan now mostly resort to using IEDS. Almost all Canadian deaths in southern Afghanistan have been due to IED attacks on their vehicles, so it's vehicle armour that we need there. Canadian Forces there are using RG-31 Nyala mine-protected vehicles, LAVS, and Leopard I and Leopard II tanks. Heavy-lift helicopters would reduce the IED risk by reducing the need to travel in ground vehicle convoys. Canada sold its Chinook helicopters in the 1980s, but now we need such heavy-lift helicopters for our Afghan mission. The Canadian government has made arrangements to buy or lease Chinooks from U.S. manufacturers, but it would take many months for the Chinooks to be manufactured and to arrive in Afghanistan for the mission. Luckily, the RG-31 Nyalas are shipped to the Canadian military in Afghanistan directly, from the manufacturer in South Africa. Regardless of our views of the missions, we citizens of NATO countries need to continue every day to demand that our governments give the soldiers most effective protection equipment available. We owe it to our soldiers to not relegate them to being killed and wounded needlessly. There is enough wealth in NATO countries to make it inexcusable for our fighting forces to be denied funding for the very best protection. |
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Criminal behavior by our military and congressional leadersip in the distrabution and uses of these "protective vests" is without excuse. From the research and first person responses I believe the Dragon Skin "armour" is best but denied our combat service women and men. Anyone in Iraq, is in combat. The 'new' armour (not Dragon Skinn) is being denied combat soldiers unless they have at least nine months to go. This is criminal and should be prosicuted as such, whether a member of Congress or a General Officer.
As a medical type in Viet Nam, we were told we would not need vests and were denied them dispite the fact we were hit often with morters and rockets. (Siagon, Ton Son Nute{spelling} AFB Major Hospital Tet 1968) A Retired Army Nurse Corps Officer and Navy Corpsman. |
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Viet-nam vet, served in the army 22yrs of my
life, wore flak jacket when in viet-nam. When will money spent not be wasted, as these new protective jackets will not save a life or injury when bombs are exploiding everywhere, and can cause more injury then not. In any war situation you are either dead when confronted with the enemy or injured and too many injuries are loss of limbs. So why have a war at all where one has to continously have to experiment on humans to see what does and does not work, what a shame and waste of human life. |
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One thing the Soldier will always do is; Do what he is told and he will wear that piece of equipment, but as Leaders "WE" have to make sure we take their feed back and make those corrections ASAP and don't make them wear it until it has been FIX.
If this equipment is to "HOT" and I think thats what some of them are saying because as we all know the HEAT in the Combat Zone in hotter than just the weather, its whatever movements or mission they are conducting for long periods and they will become Heat Casualties and we all know those units don't have extra Soldiers. So lets take care of those Soldiers regardless what we do because We OWE it to them. Thank You and don't forget to PRAY for all of our Soldiers......Ranger 7 out |
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Having worn a RAV (you can see it in my Profile Pic) during my time in the Box, this vest should be a HUGE improvement over the POS IBA. I can say that because the new vest is designed very much like the RAV. As well as the Cirus and several other's. One hour in the IBA was Hell compared to the 13-18 hour days I spent in my RAV. One of my Team Leaders also had a RAV and loved it. My RAV has now been relegated to SWAT duties. If my unit does not get issued the new vest before we go over to A-stan, I will just buy one. There is NO WAY I will wear the IBA.
As for the QR handle... soldiers just need to train with it to get used to the placement. The RAV has a QR pull as well. Never had an AD with it. Not even an "almost". But.....I will hold final judgement until I am issued mine. Now, if only Uncle Sugar would issue PMAG 30's, La Rue mounts, Gas Piston M4's,.... |
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