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30 day suspension nemesis |
Great idea. I hope it works. It should if the computer and everything does what its supposed to do I guess.
Years ago, in RVN, our tank and APC crews, would set up a chain link fense in front of their tracks if they were going to stay overnight out on the road, Hwy 13 between Dian and Loc Ninh. If someone fired an RPG or B-40 at them, the warhead would slide through the chain mesh but the rockets fins would catch on the chain like and stop the round from striking the target. In the am, you'd find them just hanging there in front of the track. A bit scary but a hell of a lot better than taking a hit from a shape charge round. Thinking back on that, I've often wondered if such a mesh, net, hung overhead in an area, would prevent PD type fuzes from functioning on high angle incoming rounds also. It worked with the PD fuzes in RVN, why not here? I wondered if anybody had tried it. I would think it might prevent the round from detonating if it were a PD type and not a time delay or proximity electronic type fuze. You've still got to go out and blow the round in place if it works but that's better than just having the round go off on impact. You could control the situation if you decide when to destroy the incoming round if it's caught in the net. Just a thought. I hope R2D2/the 20mm version, works and protects our guys. Did they put little pointy "Vulcan" ears like Spock's on it too? Would seem only right considering the gun. Live long and prosper. JD |
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"Hits Count" |
Ok, say you have an incoming 120mm rocket or a mortar round; the 20mm phalanx takes it out, great for the troops in the FOB. But how do the neighbors feel about all the un-detonated 20mm rounds impacting in their neighborhood??...
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Wow a land based CIWS (Close in weapons system)!! Awww I remember working on my mounts. I loved shooting them on pac fire. Do they have the Infra Red Camera and joystick to take out enemy ground troops if they where to be attacked???
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Correct me if Im wrong, but isn't the Phalanx just a navy version of the old Vulcan ADA system?
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What goes up, must come down. Good point. |
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Essentially, but with a much better radar & fire control system. |
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10 day warning for posting hot links. (25 Nov 08) vighper |
A secondary time delayed fuse would solve that problem. Although I'm not even sure if they make them for a round as small as the 20mm, or if the 20mm round in the phalanx is even explosively charged in the first place. |
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A bunch of solid rounds impacting in a village would still not be a good thing. |
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"Hits Count" |
I totally concur.... Most 20mm service rounds are HE... although most everyting that gets shot into our inpact area is TP-T... Still not a good thing to be coming down into your own personal AO. |
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10 day warning for posting hot links. (25 Nov 08) vighper |
From Wikipedia
Whereas naval Phalanx systems fire depleted uranium or (more recently) tungsten armor-piercing rounds, the LPWS uses the HEIT-SD (High-Explosive Incendiary Tracer, Self-Destruct) ammunition originally developed for the M163 Vulcan air-defense system. These rounds explode on impact with the target, or upon tracer burnout. |
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"Hits Count" |
Good, then someone has been thinking... |
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Let's hope it all works as advertised and lives are saved...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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The Shrappy's still got to go somewhere though even from a detonated round - I hope the gunners are bloody careful about setting up their arcs... Actually that's a good point, I do hope somebody has made sure it's possible to program "no-fire" arcs into these things? |
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How about holding up an orange cloth? |
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I doubt anyone would say if it didn't. Remember the Patriot's debut? Whatever happened to anti-mortar/rocket radar linked to counter-battery systems that was supposed to eliminate this threat? Phalanx sounds good, better than the 1920's version of unit anti-aircraft fire or the regimental skeet squad on perimeter duty. Thank goodness so few lives have been lost in these barrages.  |
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10 day warning for posting hot links. (25 Nov 08) vighper |
Falling pennies from the empire state builiding actually won't kill you...
[quote]The Shrappy's still got to go somewhere though even from a detonated round - I hope the gunners are bloody careful about setting up their arcs... [quote]The terminal velocity of small irregular shrapnel should be much much lower than an intact round. It should be more of an annoyance than anything. But I'll gladly let someone else test that theory...  |
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CIWS i.e., PHALANX works aboard ship and though there are differing parameters, it should work as advertised. Patriot worked, just not much of a warhead on it, understand that has been improved... Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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Sorry to disappoint my American friends, but the Phalanx Air Defence System was first implemented in Iraq in Spring-Summer 2007 By the British Armed Forces at Basrah. British MND(SE) bases were undergoing the heaviest rocket attacks seen anywhere in the Iraq Theatre of operations.
Phalanx was a useful addition to counter-IDF and has scored some notable successes. Beyond that I shall not discuss its capabilities in this forum due to OPSEC reasons. If the cannon shells do not impact anytrhing, they self destruct in mid-air after a given distance. - Makes for very nice fireworks. As an aside, when local villagers complained to militias that some of their rockets were landing on the villages to the north-east of the Base, the militias told them that that was due to the new British secret force-field which was deflecting the rockets away from the base. If only that were true! |
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