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RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,162428,00.html
WTF Where is the award for the white engineers. Oh ya that would be discrimination. I suppose that is why I went to war for this country, So we could reverse discriminate. This is BS. |
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There is an award for white engineers. Its called "The White Engineers Award". Now go away Troll.
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The only way your feelings would be justified is if all his promoters were black and discounted the achievements of others due to sectarian promotion. The Military is not perfect but it is the most reliable non biased system in our Country. |
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"Roughead said awards such as these showcase the talents and diversity in today's Navy."
Personally, I think the award is patronizing. I'm sure Cmdr. Bryant is an excellent officer, but if he wasn't black, he wouldn't be getting an award for his hard work. |
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You are correct about the political opertunities being a motive to many. Being an average hard working person dosen't serve you in politics. The Country often takes individuals from a variety of diverse groups and uses them to inspire others to greatness. Not exactly a bad thing as long as the person is remotely deserving of the fame. |
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I'm black and totally agree with you. WTF! If we are to move to the military being different than mainstream society, then the color awards have got to go. Duster6, I dont see that as trolling. If there was an award that went to someone strictly for their accomplishments and being white, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have a fit. If this were a civilian organization that wanted to show accomplishments to motivate blacks that they can succeed in the Navy, by all means. The military doing it is almost like saying,"look, even THEY can succeed". That is just wrong. One Country, One Language. Let people earn merits because of what they do, not what they are! |
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I suspect the reasons the Government and others have used this form of uplifting is not to patronize but to show prejudgism is not a factor. A lot of people whoes families were raised with prejudgism had problems leaving the confines of the world they live in due to fears of prejudgism. Look how far and fast the United States has turned this around. Anywere else in the world you can see sectarian violence that has lasted thousands of years. Our Government, getting people to work with one another. I have opinions on the subject but feel the cause is just in many cases. If I had two work under a guy that didn't deserve the promoton and treated me poorly. I would tell the service were to go if asked to reinlist if no change was in sight. Reverse discrimination and political postering are bad because they doesn't serve the mission objectives. |
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14219531, yes it is good to show diversity. But, what about all of the other groups? Is there going to be a Hispanic highlighted? There are so many different groups that fall under hispanic, if any one group locked down the award, someone will scream bloody favoritism. What about Asians? Afghans? Hell, while we are at it, there are patriotic arabs! Where does the "presenting an award to you because you are good and *fill in the ethnic group*" stop? And when do the "I present you this award because you are good and white" start? Awards for accomplishments and merits only. Race irrelevant.
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Blacks and American Indians were the only Nationally abused groups per say. Much of my family canbe traced to Germany and Poland prior to WW1. I feel no need to make anyone feel that special or to appoligize because I never wronged anyone. I would only get upset if the efforts of others were clearly at my expense. |
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Roughead added that the Black Engineer of the Year Awards are very prestigious and those receiving the awards have historically risen to the most senior ranks of the Navy.
First I would like to congratulate Cmdr. Richard Bryant, he must be, as they say at Georgia Tech, “One Hell of and Engineer.” I wonder if the CNO would like to list the former winner of the BEY award who has reached the three or four star ranks. May I ask who were the winners of the Asian, Hispanic and Native American Engineers of the Year (as well as any other races)? It sounded like CNO was saying that this was on the ladder to coming CNO. What the Navy and my beloved army as well as all the services need to do is assign and promote on the bases of leadership and merit. Every time I hear of one of these race-based recognitions, I reminded of a time that a company wanted to hire more Hispanics. My son-in-law applied for one of the positions, but he was turned down because he didn’t have a Hispanic sounding name even though he is Hispanic. The guy they hired was named Lopez. He had the right sounding name, but he wasn’t Hispanic. I agree that if some non-government agency wants to make these types of awards that’s great. But, I don’t feel they have any business in the military. Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren! A listening ear, a caring heart, an open mind and an extend hand may be all I can offer, but they are yours without charge or judgment. |
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Thats not what I am saying my friendly neighborhood bratwurst  . What I am saying is, if the military recognizes someone based on their accomplishments AND race, then someone who may not fall into that racial category who is just as good or probably better will feel slighted because they werent recognized based on something they have no control over...their race. For the military to recognize someone and make mention of their race to be included with the kudos, is a slap in the face. Now, this is Black History Month, big deal. Race should be a non-factor once you don the uniform. Many instances it isnt, but find me a racist when bullets are flying and there is a common enemy...you'd be hard pressed to find one. |
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Your right but most people are accustomed to feeling that way. Since when hasn't favoritism, friends and money not factored into position? At least in the service you take tests and are promoted depending on test scores and availability of positions. The only time you have to worry is when someone starts riding your butt to demote you so they can promote a friend. Thats when reverse discrimination becomes a problem, criminals don't play fair.
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I know this is way off the subject In my 23 years of active service I was only involved in “the blood strip” one time. I was a young E2 in Germany in 1955. My best friend, a PFC, overstayed a three day pass by about eight hours. The CO gave him a choice, “two weeks restriction to the company area or get busted to E2.” My friend asked the CO who would get the strip; the old man told him it would be me. I got promoted and two of us went to town and of course I had to pay for all of his drinks. I saw lots of other people get reduced and other got promoted but this was the only time I saw any one else reduced so that some else could get promoted. There has to be lots of other “blood strip” stories out there. I would like to hear some. Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren! At least that’s the way, IMN2BHO, this old soldier and proud Coast Guard dad sees it! A listening ear, a caring heart, an open mind and an extend hand may be all I can offer, but they are yours without charge or judgment. |
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The most common form is over working people and writting them up for sleeping in, disruption of sleeping schedual. This can happen to NCOs when the guys blame him for carrying out orders they don't want to follow, a senior NCO that doesn't like younger guys climbing the ladder faster than they did, a CO that is prejudging you ( the gutt feeling type), general situation causes low moral and bickering and last but not least the good ole boy system of being surrounded by supporters. The last one is common if criminal activities are underway, the in crowd. Anyone in the military guilty of oversleeping or other petty crimes is most likely a victim of criminal activity. The reason being, no serious flaws could be found, this forced the group to get rid of the guy another way. I also heard that some Commands would charge guys of things they were not guilty of if the Commands funds call crews welfare got low and needed more money due to misuse. No the Military is not perfect but if caught such Officers are more readily brought up on charges. |
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14219531, my friend, you kind of strayed off topic. Its not about a person earning an award, its about a award based on race. If he was white, better yet, not black, he wouldnt have even been in contention. Awards and recognition in the military is b.s., plain and simple.
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Its not posible to elliminate posturing and grooming. People entrust certain responcabilities to those they know and trust. I am more qualifyed than a lot of people in a lot of areas but that and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee if no one knows your alive. In some ways this is good, if the one lifting him up recognizes his ability. It is bad if the sole purpose is politics or the good ole boy system. I own my own business and have 20 years of experiance and vote myself Engineer of the year, no contest. Note, I didn't stray off topic. If you are accusing someone of favoritism. I just provided you a series of methods used by some to get into the lime light that are cause for concern and are evidence of corruption. People that climb the latter that are criminals, trip up a lot of people along the way. This is how they secure status without killing you. Corruption causes people to dream of digression and violence in a Civilized world because it is abuse of power. Some people will go crazy and misdirect anger if stepped on to much for to long. I know Im one of the best in my field. Don't expect me to hold my breath waiting for a that a boy from anyone. If I have a customers that gives me problems I still prevail because I am fair and honest. If my progress is impeaded, it costs them more, my time is money to them. This ensures cooperation. This message has been edited. Last edited by: 14219531, |
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Do we know if there is an award for other races? Is there an award for women? Would it have be better to say "Minortity of the Year"? What about the First black diver, should he have had a movie made about him. Do we know the whole story of why he got this award, how long it took he to get to where he is now?
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As some of you have pointed out; these types of awards in my opinion are more destructive than good. Simple point:
The award is for: "innovators who demonstrate excellence in science, engineering or technology; leadership in workplaces and communities; outstanding work as role models and mentors; and commitment to recruiting and retaining minorities in the nation's science and technology enterprises." These seem to be valuable traits for anyone regardless of their race. It appears the very award assumes that only blacks display values and traits that "recruit and retain minorities and are role models and mentors" which is obviously not true. |
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Now OldArmyLOVE ------------------- Founding Member ------------------- |
Or worse yet, they assume that it is unique for a black engineer to demonstrate these qualities. Now that is true prejudges. Let’s all work for, look for, hope for and pray for an HONORABLE VICTORY and a SAFE RETURN home for our MAGNIFICENT GIs, at the earliest possible date, to a beautiful green-and-blue living planet for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren! At least that’s the way, IMN2BHO, this old soldier and proud Coast Guard dad sees it! A listening ear, a caring heart, an open mind and an extend hand may be all I can offer, but they are yours without charge or judgment. |
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