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Originally posted by 16020702:
Just another exampled of poor intel, or rather none at all, Can't we get anything right???
or should we simply ignore common sense...

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Originally posted by 0Crystal0:
Right is a grey term in Washington.

I'll bet if you looked at the RAW reports they have been saying that all along.

There's no doubt in my mind that this admin cooks intel. Remember those reports are heavily edited and modified before they are considered final.

That tied with Rummy and Cheyney's own private miltiary intel group run by Cambone in the Pentagon designed to sideline the good work of the NSA and CIA ... it doesnt suprise me in the least.

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Originally posted by 16020702:
Just another exampled of poor intel, or rather none at all, Can't we get anything right???
or should we simply ignore common sense...

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:
Iran Halted Nuke Weapons Program in 2003

http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,157461,00.html

He was forced to step down as the Chair of the World Bank, after facing an outcry over a pay and promotion deal - given to his girlfriend, World Bank employee Shaha Riza. That lead to his firing THERE.

He was also one of the main architects of the disastrous decision to invade Iraq in 2003, and he has screamed that Iran is developing Nukes. They aren't. But that is also one of the reasons he was "let go" from the current administration... aka: FIRED, to spend "more time with my family"... of course.

So then, who do they ask to become Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's chairman of the International Security Advisory Board?

Mr. Paul Wolfowitz. Can you say CRONYISM?

This is no "cushy" job, he's going to head an 18 member panel that reports directly to Condi on matters such as very highly classified intelligence, advice on disarmament and nuclear proliferation, WMD's issues, (Including Nukes?), etc. etc. But this is for sure... hell be BACK in the White House advising the President, again.

Everything he said about WMD in IRAQ is suspect - or proven false, he left office in disgrace, and he was FIRED from The World Bank.

But that's good enough for Condi!

If anybody wonders why our foreign policy is in shreds, thank THIS loser.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope2:
On Oct 17th, America's Supreme Being stated that people "interested in avoiding World War III should be interested in preventing Iran from having the knowledge needed to make a nuclear weapon".

He might have added that people interested in avoiding World War III should be interested in disarming Israel and taking away her nukes. BTW, where did Israel get her nukes from in the first place?

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“While the NIE makes clear that Iran has the scientific, technical, and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons should it decide to do so, the report indicates that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003 and had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007. Iran still has the capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons, and the United States needs to remain vigilant should Iran decide to renew this pursuit. This is particularly true because there is no indication that Iran has slowed its civilian nuclear energy program, including uranium enrichment.

“Nevertheless, I am encouraged by the assessment that international pressure may have been an important factor in Iran’s decision to suspend its nuclear weapons program. It is in the interest of the United States to continue working with our international partners to ensure that Iran continues on this current path to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons.”

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Originally posted by GroovyLady:
http://armedservices.house.gov

Ike Skelton, Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee:

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“While the NIE makes clear that Iran has the scientific, technical, and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons should it decide to do so, the report indicates that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003 and had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007. Iran still has the capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons, and the United States needs to remain vigilant should Iran decide to renew this pursuit. This is particularly true because there is no indication that Iran has slowed its civilian nuclear energy program, including uranium enrichment.

“Nevertheless, I am encouraged by the assessment that international pressure may have been an important factor in Iran’s decision to suspend its nuclear weapons program. It is in the interest of the United States to continue working with our international partners to ensure that Iran continues on this current path to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons.”

I wouldn't exactly say any intell. has been "cooked," or that folks should be quick to begin chanting the mundane, "Bush lied" mantra. Clearly, the NIE confirms Iran has the capability to develop nukes when and if they choose to. Not to mention, their uranium enrichment practice is still continuing. And, I don't believe it's a coincidence that Iran just happened to stop it's nuclear weapon development right around the time the Iraq war started.

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Originally posted by Ol_Doc:
OK...so do you suppose we can slow down the drumbeat to war with Iran now? Or do we need to invade every country that just might, some day, be a threat to this nation?

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Originally posted by xerello:
How could Saddam, who was trying to buy aluminum tubes for centrifuges and did not have enriched uranium, be able to make a nuclear weapon in less than a year, when the Iranians, who have these components will take at least three to eight years to make their weapon?
There's more internal pressure inside Iran to NOT make them than ever existed inside of Saddam's Iraq.

Credibility will not be a part of the President’s legacy.
Name me one "modern" POTUS who can legitimately claim credibility as part of their legacy. Every President from Roosevelt to Truman to Kennedy to now has gotten a bunch of things wrong.

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Originally posted by Ol_Doc:

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Originally posted by GroovyLady:
http://armedservices.house.gov

Ike Skelton, Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee:

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“While the NIE makes clear that Iran has the scientific, technical, and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons should it decide to do so, the report indicates that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003 and had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007. Iran still has the capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons, and the United States needs to remain vigilant should Iran decide to renew this pursuit. This is particularly true because there is no indication that Iran has slowed its civilian nuclear energy program, including uranium enrichment.

“Nevertheless, I am encouraged by the assessment that international pressure may have been an important factor in Iran’s decision to suspend its nuclear weapons program. It is in the interest of the United States to continue working with our international partners to ensure that Iran continues on this current path to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons.”

I wouldn't exactly say any intell. has been "cooked," or that folks should be quick to begin chanting the mundane, "Bush lied" mantra. Clearly, the NIE confirms Iran has the capability to develop nukes when and if they choose to. Not to mention, their uranium enrichment practice is still continuing. And, I don't believe it's a coincidence that Iran just happened to stop it's nuclear weapon development right around the time the Iraq war started.

OK...so do you suppose we can slow down the drumbeat to war with Iran now? Or do we need to invade every country that just might, some day, be a threat to this nation?

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Originally posted by AirForceAggie:

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Originally posted by Misanthrope2:
On Oct 17th, America's Supreme Being stated that people "interested in avoiding World War III should be interested in preventing Iran from having the knowledge needed to make a nuclear weapon".

He might have added that people interested in avoiding World War III should be interested in disarming Israel and taking away her nukes. BTW, where did Israel get her nukes from in the first place?

The difference is that Israel is a responsible nation. We don't face the danger of Israeli intelligence sending teams with a portable nuke to destroy an Arab city. The Arabs and the Iranians (remember, they are Persians), however, do not share the same reputation. However, saying all that, this is just another proof that we can no longer trust what is coming out of this administration's mouth. Once again, they have made the US look like a laughing stock in the world community's eyes. How can we effectively generate a coalition to contain the very real threat of Iran, if our own intelligence undermines us? When will the administration learn to think before they talk?

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Policy Implications of Iran NIE: The National Intelligence Estimate’s conclusion that Iran appears “less determined” to develop nuclear weapons is portrayed by some commentators as a “softening” of US policy. Others, however, view it as grounds for continued pressure on Tehran. France’s Le Figaro comments that “Washington is moderating its tone on Iran.” An Iranian commentator tells Al-Jazeera television that the report “could signal some sort of a political change in the region.” In contrast, the UK’s Guardian says the report is “far from a clean bill of health” and calls for the UN to “pressure Iran to abide by its international obligations.” A Voice of Israel radio analyst, observing that Iran stopped its program “because of pressure, not in spite of it,” concludes “the pressure, including military preparations, must continue.” In Iran, Foreign Minister Mottaki welcomed the “change of opinion” while state-run television hails it as a “victory” and a “vindication.”

Message:

* “The risk of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon remains a very serious problem.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “The National Intelligence Estimate confirms we were right to be worried about Iran seeking to develop nuclear weapons and it tells us that we have made some progress.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “It suggests we have the right strategy: intensified international pressure, along with a willingness to negotiate a solution that serves Iranian interests.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “For the strategy to succeed, the international community has to turn up the pressure on Iran -- with diplomatic isolation, United Nations sanctions, and with other financial pressure.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “Iran has to decide that it wants to negotiate a solution.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

"The World's Finest"

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......well there's still that pesky point of them helping kill our troops now isn't there?

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He said that he had learned of the new intelligence findings only last week, and that no one in the intelligence community had urged him to step back from his tough warning, made in October, that a nuclear Iran could pose a danger of a “World War III.”

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
From Rapid-Response 12-04:

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Policy Implications of Iran NIE: The National Intelligence Estimate’s conclusion that Iran appears “less determined” to develop nuclear weapons is portrayed by some commentators as a “softening” of US policy. Others, however, view it as grounds for continued pressure on Tehran. France’s Le Figaro comments that “Washington is moderating its tone on Iran.” An Iranian commentator tells Al-Jazeera television that the report “could signal some sort of a political change in the region.” In contrast, the UK’s Guardian says the report is “far from a clean bill of health” and calls for the UN to “pressure Iran to abide by its international obligations.” A Voice of Israel radio analyst, observing that Iran stopped its program “because of pressure, not in spite of it,” concludes “the pressure, including military preparations, must continue.” In Iran, Foreign Minister Mottaki welcomed the “change of opinion” while state-run television hails it as a “victory” and a “vindication.”

Message:

* “The risk of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon remains a very serious problem.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “The National Intelligence Estimate confirms we were right to be worried about Iran seeking to develop nuclear weapons and it tells us that we have made some progress.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “It suggests we have the right strategy: intensified international pressure, along with a willingness to negotiate a solution that serves Iranian interests.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “For the strategy to succeed, the international community has to turn up the pressure on Iran -- with diplomatic isolation, United Nations sanctions, and with other financial pressure.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

* “Iran has to decide that it wants to negotiate a solution.” (National Security Advisor Hadley)

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Originally posted by rkgtactical:

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Originally posted by 0Crystal0:
Right is a grey term in Washington.

I'll bet if you looked at the RAW reports they have been saying that all along.

There's no doubt in my mind that this admin cooks intel. Remember those reports are heavily edited and modified before they are considered final.

That tied with Rummy and Cheyney's own private miltiary intel group run by Cambone in the Pentagon designed to sideline the good work of the NSA and CIA ... it doesnt suprise me in the least.

quote:

Originally posted by 16020702:
Just another exampled of poor intel, or rather none at all, Can't we get anything right???
or should we simply ignore common sense...

That's rich coming from someone who has a private member profile. By the way, learn how to spell the VP's name moron.