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RE: http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,154517,00.html
Who at miliutary.com wrote that line of garbage about Doonsbury being a "real" coverage of the military? Whoever it was needs to have an immediate drug test (I hear the real hard ones flush out quickly) or he/she needs some counseling in the chain locker. Trudeau is one of the biggest anti-war/anti-military people out there and to feature him on MILITARY.com is both insulting and ridiculous. It does tell me one thing for sure though...military.com does not have many "real" military people making these kinds of decisions and that's sad. |
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My problem with Trudeau is that in May of 2006 He listed the names of our war dead in the Sunday Funnies bracketed on either end with his anti-military, anti-war, anti troop drivel.
#1 Noone should be allowed to use the names of the dead without the permission of their families to make an editorial statement because it gives the public the impression that those who have sacrificed agree with their editorial point of view. #2 Trudeau's "Sandbox" Site was put in place to provide him with material to further his crusade without the hazard of getting sand in his own shoes. If he had the balls of say a "Hanoi Jane" we'd see him posing with an RPG in Iraq. This profiteering opportunist has got to be Al Jazeerah's favorite cartoonist. He beats his chest and talks about how he is pro soldier, but anti war. You watch. He will take the gallows humor of men and women at War who submit stories to his sandbox and use it against them. He has the absolute right to think and say what he wants, but Military.com is not obligated to provide him a forum and I hope they will use the comments of everyone in this forum to make their decision. |
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Well, do you have a better way to communicate the plight of veterans (amputees, those with PTSD) to the Average Joe than through the comics? Have you ever READ any of the strips that dealt with BD's injury, recovery at Walter Reed, discharge and subsequent adjustment back to civilian life AND dealing with the VA and PTSD? Exactly how are they inaccurate, pray tell?
Trudeau actually went to Walter Reed, and has been supportive - without publicity - of various efforts there and elsewhere. At least he's put his money, time and energy where his mouth is, unlike others - say, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan or Ann Coulter. |
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For years Trudeau has been anti-military in his comics, just go back and read through them, it won't take long to find the examples. As for how to "comunicate the plight" there are plenty of ways and if you think comics are the best way then you must have a very low opinion of the "average Joe" who can only get the message that way.
As for BD's recovery etc. I never said that hios comics were accurate or inaccurate, I will leave that up to people who lived the experience to critique that specific item. I said that he is anti-military and I stand by that. As for putting their money where their mouth is, i just read a story about Limbaugh matching something like $2 million dollars for some letter or something and contributing all of that money to a charity that deals with military vets. How much did it cost Trudeau to go to Walter Reed, to a place that Congress is shutting down through the BRAC and then people wonder why millions aren't being spent to keep it modern and up to snuff? That sure sounds like a publicity stunt (if there was no publicity then how did you hear about it?) to me though the only details I have are what you posted. |
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don't forget that he donates to the Fisher House to. i find his comics very good in fact.
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Well said. Ray Hightower's electronic conversations with his wife are pretty accurate, too, though maybe a bit toned down for public consumption - I saw a lot of guys dealing with exactly those issues when I was there. In some cases, we had to keep an eye on them after a phone call or e-mail from home, for fear they'd take out their anger on themselves or someone else. |
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Trudeau is no more "pro military" than PETA is "pro steak" dinner.
Why don't you look at the totality of his work going back to Viet-Nam instead of his recent pandering effort to make amends for his abuse of the names of the dead. A S#!t sandwich is a S#!t sandwich no matter what type of bread you hide it in. |
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The same is true of the President ... visits without publicity. A class act by both men. IMHO, neither of these men deserves the vilification that they receive. Criticism yes, vilification no, that's how I see it. |
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I have and I have never, ever seen one strip where he disrespected the servicemember. He makes fun of the establishment. Joe and Willy in WWII did that, too, but they also kept the brass honest. Show me one strip where he actually disrespected the servicemember. You won't find one. |
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Trudeau's running smack into the segment of the military who think the only good soldier is a healthy soldier.
Soldiers doing what soldiers do put themselves in harm's way and some, unfortunately, get the short straw. There are a number of posters on this site who seem to think that wounded soldiers' problems are, somehow, their own fault. That they should consider themselves lucky to be getting treated as they are. As has been demonstrated, that treatment could stand some improvement in consistency. If Trudeau's comics do something to change that perspective, more power to him. The general public has, it often seems, far more empathy and support for wounded soldiers than some of their military brothers. |
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Trudeau's strips are keeping the military in the mind of those Americans who only read the comic page. Those of us who post on these forums are hyper-aware of the military and wars, we are the exception.
For the most part, the average American really doesn't think about the military. The war in Iraq is so far away, they don't even have to worry that their own children will be called up to serve. The average American is thrilled to shop at Wal mart and buy goods from China. The average American doesn't go on PGR missions. The average American doesn't contribute to any of the Wounded Warrior projects. The average American watches "reality" tv. I applaud Trudeau for reaching the "average American." |
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The ink Trudeau uses is a waste of good oil. I can't remember the last time I read a Doonesbury strip.
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Amazing how you can tell how bad it is without reading it. Have you considered joining the Psychic Friends Network? |
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Absolutely god-da**ed right. The fact that he took his longest-running, most popular character and used him to show the plight of veterans, especially wounded vets and reserve component vets, right out where it won't be ignored is one thing. His support for wounded vets adds to that. He in no way deserves the crap some of you guys are dumping on him, especially when you guys aren't spending one tenth the time, effort and money he gives to wounded vets. How bout all of you in the peanut gallery either do what he's doing, or help yourselves to a big fat cup of shut the **** up. |
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Those of you who want to find out the true character of Garry Trudeau, here is a very good article. Those of you who have made you mind up that he is just a left leaning loony that you hate won’t bother and that is your loss.
From the article.
Doonesbury's War |
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All you have to do is remember that some of the posters here are somewhere to the right of Atila the Hun and you understand where they're coming from. I have read Doonsbury almost daily going back to the early 70's when I was in the Corps. I almost went through withdrawls when Doonsbury went away for a couple of years. True, he's anti-war, but any sane human being is. How anyone who has been to war and can't be against it except for extreme cases I find hard to understand. There is no glory in it, no honor. There is simply death, distruction, and misery. As Sherman said "War is Hell".
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he exposes an ugly truth that many wish to remain covered and unheard.
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Having Trudeau on your side, if you are a vet, is like having Himmler on the side of Jewish citizens in Germany! Like I said, on the Doonesbury string, I didn't like him during 'Nam and I don't like him now!!! Respectfully, SUNLINER81 |
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