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Aah yes, the anonymous internet tough guy. As to your sexual fantasies I believe they have laws against that so you should be careful sharing them with everyone. But I tell you what junior, if you ever sack up and put a name to your inane prattle maybe then we can discuss our experience factor and just who has seen more of what. But since you're not man enough to own up to your comments I'll just leave you with this, if ever a Gunners Mate cleans "your" .40 at least we know it'll get done and done right. |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
Sounds like you have too much time at small boat stations. Get on a big white one and you will realize that the big thing with the barrel sticking out, up on the pointy end of the ship, requires a bit more knowledge then the average BM picks up cleaning a .40. And then, should another little skirmish like the one I was in many years ago pop up, you will learn your only job is to keep the deck painted after the shell casings ding it up. Now that BM's have the QM job too, you will also be somewhat responsible for getting that gun to the location where it's needed. Hopefully you will be able to deal with the stress of being far enough out to sea (you know, that big body of SALT water?) that you can't actually see land. |
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Ok back to the original topic. I was thinking today that if the XPO, EPO and OIC are required to be certified Coxswains or boat engineers how could anyone possibly justify having a GM at a station who is not certified boat crew. If the XPO isn't too busy with his "collateral" duties to certify and maintain currency I'm sure the GM will be able to handle it too.
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20 years and all you made was E5?? You suck! Don't worry, I've passed more lighthouses by ship then you have stop signs in your car! Oh and I have been on a big white one with that piece of crap on the front of the ship that can't hit the "killer tomato" from 3 miles away. We got the ship were it needed to go, just the FT's couldn't aim it and the GM's couldn't keep it working. Oh and for CHGuns, you're probably some GM3 stuck at some armory in a sector counting bullets and being disgruntled..its ok, go smoke a cig and watch "future weapons" on the discovery channel and dream about weapons you'll never see. |
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BM1 Sailor,
Just wanted to let you know that your starting to sound a little foolish. v/r BM1 JAJ |
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Dude you need to chill out. Did you really just register today so you can go out on some tangent about GM's? Give the GM bashing a rest or at least man up and do it to one in person. Then again that GM might just tell you where to stick your .40. |
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Nice personal attack on a Coast Guard Vietnam Vet. The guy was medically retired before he ever got to 20 years but hey at least we know who he is as opposed to mister private profile.
20 years and all you made was E5?? You suck! Don't worry, I've passed more lighthouses by ship then you have stop signs in your car! Oh and I have been on a big white one with that piece of crap on the front of the ship that can't hit the "killer tomato" from 3 miles away. We got the ship were it needed to go, just the FT's couldn't aim it and the GM's couldn't keep it working. Oh and for CHGuns, you're probably some GM3 stuck at some armory in a sector counting bullets and being disgruntled..its ok, go smoke a cig and watch "future weapons" on the discovery channel and dream about weapons you'll never see.[/QUOTE] |
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Wow that BM1Sailor be a Salty Dawg, Big White one he says. Can't deny you of that, I have heard of not being able to put ordnance on tgt, stupid lousy italian weapons. I will pass a couple of stop sign tonight on my way to the sitting down in front of the Discovery channel to see how real weapons work
CHGuns send pictures of Crazy Horse...PRONTO! |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
I bet you have passed more lighthouses. Lots of them on the lakes I understand.... Haven't figured out how to check profiles yet? Let me help you out.......7 ships in ten years active duty. Doubt that you have anything close to that much sea time. Now, go run a deck growler and leave the adults alone. |
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Crazy Horse pix will be headed your way Saturday along with some of dead white men. Now that the thread has been totally hijacked by some jackhole I guess I'll go watch the Coast Guard channel and dream of being a cool azz Bozo Mate with no name that enforces laws and saves lives...ooooh,cooool....
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The topic is GMs at a station, and addressed "if you were the OIC". So if you've never been at a station and aren't a BM...your point is meaningless BS.
Bottomline: you'll do whatever the Boatswain Mate tells you to do. |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
R-I-G-H-T !!!! Keep on dreamin' Boats..... |
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Well as hard as it may be for the future station GM's to take its true. Unless you think that a GM3 or GM2 is going to argue with a CWO, BMCM,or BMCS. |
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I'll venture to say Stan is talking about himself. Just like me, he will never take orders from a BM, just a fact of where we are at in life. Obviously everyone takes orders from someone if they are in the Military, even the Commandant has his boss. But getting back to the original post it was about what someone would do as an OinC regarding the use of a GM at their station. Some on here who are not OinCs nor even Chiefs for that matter seem to think only their little experience and narrow views are valid. Silly little comments like "if you're not a BM or have never been at a station then your point is meaningless bs" show how some people given any little bit of authority can easily slip into the poor leadership trait of not being able to value the opinions of anybody that is not in lockstep with their thinking. Others had open minds and valued the thought of having a "source expert" to utilize.
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
As a GM 2 I did argue with a Warrant Bos'n. He wanted the mounts for the .50's cut off since the 180 I was on was leaving Nam. I argued that such an act could not be done without an ORDALT or SHIPALT. He gave me a direct order, I removed them. When the District found out he was abruptly transferred to a less desirable location. new mounts had to be fabricated and installed, wasting money. Unusual situation though. I would not expect a GM 3 or GM 2 to typically argue with a BMC anymore then I would expect a BM3 or BM 2 to argue with a GMC. |
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Well said CHGuns...when we stop listening we stop progressing....
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I'm not suggesting that having GM's at stations is a bad idea. I just cannot see how some people think that they should not be required to be part of the boat crew. While maintaining the weapons at a station is an important job and carries responsibility it is in no way a full time job. Even if some argue that it is; what's the difference? The OIC, XPO, and EPO find time to certify and get their 40 underway hours per cycle so why should a GM not? |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
Bob,
I have no idea what the potential workload would be for a GM at a station, but my personal feelings are that if I were that GM I'd jump at the chance to be part of the boat crew. Now, how cool would it be to be a GM with a Coxswain pin? |
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With all do respect those posting here with no experience at a station would be inexperienced. The "poor leadership" trait that I am in lockstep with is USCG Boat Operations and Training Manual. Boatswain Mates are the source expert for leadership. |
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I imagine this more as a support billet, much like the addition of an SK to a Station... which I certainly never complained about, It would be nice to not have to worry about all the things that go along with weps. I would never stop anyone from becoming a boat crewman, Hell, if the FS or SK at a Station (or any other support billet) wanted to qual, I'd let them too.
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