LE RATE, what is it and who would go?
who has info, web site ect. any info i can pass on would be great,

Sean

hmmm

If only there was a web site like this one, that had a section to talk specifically about LE topics within the CG..........

MC, you're a tease!!!

Sean:

Try the Law Enforcement Discussion Board above.

BTW, there is neither an LE rate nor an LE rating at this time.

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BTW, there is neither an LE rate nor an LE rating at this time.

Don't forget IV!

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:

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BTW, there is neither an LE rate nor an LE rating at this time.

Don't forget IV!

As you well know, MC, IV is a Reserve only rating, and Sean indicates he is AD. He would have to advance to E-6 first to apply for CGIS.

Information IRT the LE rating is appropriate here, a number of BM's will want to consider the rating once it is implemented. Which it will. I am excited about the prospects of those who truly want full-time LE. A fellow BM of mine wants to cross over to the rating, I am going to do everything I can to help him do it. Hey Mighty, maybe you can cross over to be the Force Manager for it? Give up that radar scope you have for a rating badge!!!

The hell with that! I am already dealing with the pain in the arse of being a RFMC for one brand new rating, never, never again!

(Well, maybe, just maybe, if they choose the helm wheel for a rating badge. Still sad I never got two starts above my helm wheel, had to settle for just one)

Is this for sure? I was just discussing this with soon to be GMC Shipley.

T

Tony;
I would say it is for sure that some new rating will be created. Where they serve, what they do, how big it will be and how it will be stood up is far from sure, but it is being worked hard and fast.

MCPOCG came out and visited us last fall. This topic came up and he reminded us that the idea for an LE rate has been tossed around since the eighties. However, he also said they are closer than ever to actually going through with it, so take from that what you will...

I said this on another thread about the same topic - A few weeks ago the Commandant was in Boston and addressed Sector Boston personnel. He was asked about the rating, specifically was it going to happen; and if so, when. His answer was yes, the key was getting the surveys done so they can best finalize the rollout. I took both of the surveys, they both are well laid out and would imply a well thought out and planned rollout. Everything is subject to change, but it is very clear the CG is in need of the LE rating. The main benefit I see is the retention of personnel who would otherwise get out to pursue LE full-time. I like the way the CG is handling this one.

I don't know if we have the data to support an assumption that we are loosing any significant number of people due to the reason you stated. I am sure we don't have anything to support that this rating would stop that. It may be just as likely to increase the problem as it may make those folks more attractive to potential employers who don't require deployments, transfers, etc.

The only even a hints of 'problems' that we are trying to fix are these:

Getting someone trained up to the level required at certain unit types, most of which are now underneath the DOG Command, takes to large of a portion of that person tour to see a return on the investment.

Allowing a person a reasonable chance at advancement, while serving in these type of jobs for multiple tours is difficult, and the members are returning 'in droves' to rating related jobs.

Eevry special assignment job and even every in rating 'sub-specialty' or 'community' could make the same arguements to some level.

I would caution everyone (just like I did for the IS rating) to be calm, hold your breath and wait for a clearly published definition of what this potential rating may be and what jobs they may do before you make an assumption of what it is, what effect it may have on training and retention and whether or not it is for you.

Although I am fairly new to the CG, and despite the fact that I love driving boats, I would definitely stay in the CG if there was an LE rating. I joined to do primarily LE, and I do understand, just like many other services, that there are collateral duties and job requirements unlike civilian law enforcement; however, I would jump at the chance to do a more strictly LE based job. What I would miss about being a BM would be the leadership and responsibility that a BM obtains through the ranks. I'd be up for it, but like MC said, I'd have to read the fine print before I got stuck doing gate guard duty at the Academy ;-).

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I got stuck doing gate guard duty at the Academy

.....interesting you mentioned that job......

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Originally posted by arctictraveler:
I said this on another thread about the same topic - A few weeks ago the Commandant was in Boston and addressed Sector Boston personnel. He was asked about the rating, specifically was it going to happen; and if so, when. His answer was yes, the key was getting the surveys done so they can best finalize the rollout. I took both of the surveys, they both are well laid out and would imply a well thought out and planned rollout. Everything is subject to change, but it is very clear the CG is in need of the LE rating. The main benefit I see is the retention of personnel who would otherwise get out to pursue LE full-time. I like the way the CG is handling this one.

Well, coming from the mouth of the man, thats pretty solid.

Now lets crank this discussion up, what would the responsibilities be?

T

That is what all the surveys are about right now Tony. It is not easy to take a 'specialized' competency set of skills that is irresepctove of paygrade (and loaded HEAVY at the middle paygrade) and translate that to a rating pyramid set of EPQs.

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
hmmm

If only there was a web site like this one, that had a section to talk specifically about LE topics within the CG..........

My questions are directed to the BMs here because they've helped me out many times before.

So WHO WOULD GO AND WHY?
My reason would be this,
I have tried to be a BM in the CG; I wanted to be in the PSP.
Since the coast guard has given me 2 back to back NON-OP jobs I have no other options. If I can't drive boats for the coast guard then I would like to do something that I can tell my kids and grandkids about.

Currently I am a BM1 with a MAA job, not a BM job. This spot could be a DC3/2/1. I'm going to ISC Kodiak to work for the base security, Not a BM job. All I want to do is drive boats; it just hasn't worked out that way.

I need input from BMs that fill the same way. I love being a deck hand but without driving boats I believe that I'm not fulfilling my obligation to the Coast Guard.

I was a longhaired 18yo kid when I joined. I stared at a poster on the recruiters' bulkhead, a 47' charging the surf, and said "I WANT TO DO THAT!"
I haven't done that. I'm not happy; I believe the hopes of a "LE" rate would make me enjoy the rest of my tour.

BTW, I reenlist for 6 years tomorrow, which will take me to 14 years. I'm not going away, hopefully I'll see this LE rate...

Interesting.....

I would put money on the fact that if we do this rating, the job you are going to will be one of the billets for this new rating.

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
Interesting.....

I would put money on the fact that if we do this rating, the job you are going to will be one of the billets for this new rating.

MC, I agree 100%, but the beneficial thing would be that instead of that being a out-of-rate non operational job, it would (hopefully) directly correlate to the new rating's specific job tasks/collateral duties. In other words, that kind of billet wouldn't help a boat driver get promoted, but it should definitely help to get someone involved with LE/Security promoted.

I imagine something like BTM competency requirement for third, BO for second, Fisheries BO/HL for first along with lets say a minimum of one tour at a taclet/ledet or something. This would eliminate the "out-of-rate" caveat for BMs and MKs who like LE, but know that a taclet/leDET is going to put them behind the game in terms of rating requirements.

I've had this discussion a dozen times with our EPO (an MK1 who is formerly with a TACLET, and now going back), and he agrees that it would remove that burden from both rates. Just my .02.

JMUSC.....
This all sounds great but, how about those motivated BM's and MK's that have thought ahead, prepared for advancement, and still want to go to the TACLET/LEDET/MSRT/ETC? Shutting the door on non "LE Rating" coasties that want to expand their professional horizons seems silly.