Your last threee paragraphs do nothing to convince me Stanton's guilt or involvement. One thing is the vast amount of emotional stress and strain that those people went through. Those movements or instances you mentioned could have come from just what I mentioned. Evidently other people have thought so too. He was a man of many moods and expressions. Overly dramatic at times and that's why its not taken seriously. The man was a drama king.
Nope, I just don't see it. Mainly because as others have said, there were to many times that Stanton and the supposed conspirators could have killed Lincoln that it didn't happen. C'mon, if they really wanted to have done it, they could have long before. The circumstances and how the comedy of errors wound up doing the deed, makes the rest of this ..........I just don't buy it.
No, we probably will never know for sure, because of the vast amount of personal and other feelings that have tainted the whole history of this. Naw, he was a bombastic SOB and loved to destroy people from behind the scenes never working directly, but a chief conspirator to assassinate Lincoln......

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Originally posted by JPope:
Your last threee paragraphs do nothing to convince me Stanton's guilt or involvement. (portions deleted to conserve space.) ...Nope, I just don't see it. Mainly because as others have said, there were to(o) many times that Stanton and the supposed conspirators could have killed Lincoln that it didn't happen.
...I just don't buy it. No, we probably will never know for sure...

WRONG!
In a day and time to come, we will know all things. However, I grant you that day and time is not now. I'll also grant that the conspirators may have covered their tracks well; but they will not be able to hide anything from Him who sees and knows all things. While I may never be able to show you irrefutable, ironclad proof, deep-down I believe that Stanton was in it up to his eyeballs.

However, it is not my purpose to pursue a huge conspiracy theory that already has many tracks all over it. If I have not pursuaded you of this matter, then you have an absolute right to believe as you do. But in a day to come, justice will be served and accounting will be required. When that day arrives then I believe that Stanton and his co-conspiritors will be required to answer to the charge of murder.

Also, I have heard medical testimony to the effect that Lincoln was actually terminally ill and possibly would not have finished his second term. While there may some truth to that, the point is actually rendered moot by his murder. Still, I think it would have been nice to see how he planned to bring the South back into the Union and how successful he might have been. But given the vindictive mood of The Congress, he may have found himself fighting the Civil War part 2 on Capitol Hill.

You are right the lord will call them into accounting for what they did in life. Then we'll all know for sure.
By citing the medical info I did, I feel as do quite a few others that this whole episode, whoever was involved, was NOT really necessary and their goals would have accomplished by God when Lincoln died of natural causes. Which would not have been muchlonger. A year maybe two.
Good discussion! Vigerous and passionate!

I think that there is too much mythology in who the real Lincoln was. It is unfortunate that so many today are interested in whitewashing Sherman's march (and dozens of other warcrimes on an equal scale through the entire war), denigrating Stonewall Jackson's defeat of three armies (unmatched until Rommel and Slim in WW2), and a general rewriting of all the South's history both during the war, before, and after. Certainly I do not hate northern people but I don't think many of you understand how much hatred that comes our way on account of these lies.
It is important to understand who you are dealing with: Southerners are historically very different from the rest of the country. Without going into detail, I will say that this doesn't make us inferior and we should not be ashamed. A region which votes consistently one way, believes in a predominant religion, has a peculiar work ethic (a good one - considering the amount of jobs that support the country but pay little.....including military service) of the population is distinctive. Putting this into a government would only be logical, especially as our differences become greater.