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Originally posted by wilddavemsg:
Heres a quote for you Travis.Taken from a speech given by Honest Abe in 1858 in Charleston Illinois"I am not,nor ever have been in favor of bring about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races.I am not now nor ever have beenin favor of making voters or jurors of negroes,nor of qualifying them to hold office,nor of intermarrages with white people.There is a physical difference between the white and black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality.There must be a position superior and inferior,and I am in favor of assigning the superior to the white man. Abe Lincoln 1858

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: It will be very difficult for an audience so large as this to hear distinctly what a speaker says, and consequently it is important that as profound silence be preserved as possible.

While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. I recollect of but one distinguished instance that I ever heard of so frequently as to be entirely satisfied of its correctness-and that is the case of Judge Douglas's old friend Col. Richard M. Johnson. [Laughter.] I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.] I will add one further word, which is this: that I do not understand that there is any place where an alteration of the social and political relations of the negro and the white man can be made except in the State Legislature-not in the Congress of the United States-and as I do not really apprehend the approach of any such thing myself, and as Judge Douglas seems to be in constant horror that some such danger is rapidly approaching, I propose as the best means to prevent it that the Judge be kept at home and placed in the State Legislature to fight the measure. [Uproarious laughter and applause.] I do not propose dwelling longer at this time on this subject.

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This is the last I am going to say on the subject. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it but I've seen enough hyperbole, vitriol, and selective use of people's words in the five threads that have been started on it.

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Originally posted by travisab1:

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This is the last I am going to say on the subject. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it but I've seen enough hyperbole, vitriol, and selective use of people's words in the five threads that have been started on it.

Ace Maker;

I hope this doesn't mean your about to shut down this discussion. I just noticed you said "This is the last I am going to say"

Travis

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Originally posted by USNVet940:

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Originally posted by travisab1:

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This is the last I am going to say on the subject. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it but I've seen enough hyperbole, vitriol, and selective use of people's words in the five threads that have been started on it.

Ace Maker;

I hope this doesn't mean your about to shut down this discussion. I just noticed you said "This is the last I am going to say"

Travis

I have no intention (right now) of shutting down the thread; I simply have no further desire to partake in any discussion of the subject in which hyperbole, exaggeration, and vitriol seem to be the extent of "discussion".

I will, however, be monitoring the boards closely.

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Ace Maker;

Monitor away fella…it’s all urine…


See ya,

Travis

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Originally posted by USNVet940:

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Ace Maker;

Monitor away fella…it’s all urine…


See ya,

Travis

Be advised, Travis..I do not take lightly to being called out, tested, or confrontational attitudes. Don't push it any further. This is the only warning I'm going to give.