Thought you guys might want to know this about the Great Emancipator.

Before I do this...you should screen folks that want to join this group and make sure you don't let too many folks from the South in here. They don't think the same way the North does. Now, with that out of the way here is an excerpt and a link to your Lincoln hero's atrocities...

"Information below tells how President Lincoln and Minnesota Governor Alexander Ramsey set out to exterminate Indians from their home land."

"Authorities in Minnesota asked President Lincoln to order the immediate execution of all 303 Indian males found guilty. Lincoln was concerned with how this would play with the Europeans, whom he was afraid were about to enter the war on the side of the South. He offered the following compromise to the politicians of Minnesota: They would pare the list of those to be hung down to 39. In return, Lincoln promised to kill or remove every Indian from the state and provide Minnesota with 2 million dollars in federal funds. Remember, he only owed the Sioux 1.4 million for the land. "

Shocking Ain't it???


For more info follow this link...

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/hanging.html

Enjoy,

Travis

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Shocking Ain't it???

The actions taken by the governor certainly were. If the president shares any blame in this, it would be minimal. His attention was elsewhere. He had a war on his hands. There is more to the story than what is provided by travis' link. The Native Americans did a bit more than steal a few eggs...

"The Dakota Uprising Officially Begins
While the sun rose on August 18, a band of Dakota, most of them being from the Lower Sioux Agency in the southeast corner of Minnesota, burned buildings, attacked men, women and children at the Redwood Agency."

What the president did...

"By November 5, after being tried by a military court, a total of 303 Dakota were sentenced to death. General Henry Hastings Sibley had the names and the involvements of those found guilty forwarded to President Lincoln. Lincoln reviewed the list and cut it down to 39 prisoners to be executed. This outraged many of the settlers in Minnesota and on December 5 a mob from Mankato made their way towards Camp Lincoln where the prisoners were being kept. Fortunately, the mob was stopped by troops. The following day the Indians were moved to a log structure at Mankato for safekeeping."

I believe Lincoln did the correct thing, given what info he was provided. The governor is the villain here.
http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/civil_war_and_native_americans

Most of those Troops in Minnesota were "Galvanized Yankees."
Rather than rot away, Confederate Soldiers were released from POW Camps and sent to fight the Indians.

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I repeat succession is treason anyone who supported should have been executed.

Does that mean that the authors of the State Constitutions of New York, Virginia, and Rhode Island should have been executed?

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Lincoln did not start the Civil War. It was when Confederates under Gen. Pierre Beauregard opened fire on federal land that the war started.

Lincoln most certanly did not destroy the Union. The South did. Look at the timeline...

Firing on the fort nothing. If it was federal land then it would have belonged not to Lincoln as a personal coast blocking fort but to the Government, meaning the willing union of States. It was used as a tool of provocation and the truly belligerent act was to remain on our sovereign soil when diplomatically asked to leave in peace. The timeline would also show us us firing on the resupply ships from the time that South Carolina first succeeded. The Fort Sumter "attack" was a propaganda success on level with the alleged sinking of the Maine in 1898 or the death of stubborn and foolish upper class Americans on the Lusitania. It proves only the wily political maneuverings of the Tyrant, Lincoln.

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And how is it that Lincoln was elected to begin with? He only received 40% of the popular vote. Southern Democrats split the vote of their party by failing to pick one candidate instead of three; Breckenridge, Douglas, and Bell. It's the "fault" of the South that Lincoln was elected!

The fault was in an unequal electoral system. Lincoln received a total of ZERO electoral votes from the South. Any divisions in the Democratic party of the time are irrelevant. Lincoln and his radical regime were rejected in favor of better representation, national sovereignty, and a structured class system that did not hide behind unofficial barriers to exploit the proletariat, as was the case in the 'free soil' North.

In response to an earlier statement: There is certainly a time to kill but Lincoln was not "a fellow American." He should have been the highest servant of the land - the Chief Executive with the responsibility to the people, but he was a tyrant who tore apart the Country, buried much of it, and attempted to ethnically cleanse the entire country of the blacks he so cynically used to keep the Brits out of the war. It is the patriotic duty of a citizen to slay a tyrant....or so thought the Greeks, the Romans, and even the Hebrews. All of those are the sources from which we derive our concept of civilization, and thus Lincoln deserved nothing less than a trial for illegal war and treachery under penalty of death. Since the law was meaningless by 1865, when he had a military dictatorship over the entire country, it took a patriot to do the job that the dead government no longer could. Only by 1877 did some semblance of law begin to come about, but this did not begin to address the vast social and racial problems that Lincoln advanced or created.

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The fault was in an unequal electoral system. Lincoln received a total of ZERO electoral votes from the South. Any divisions in the Democratic party of the time are irrelevant.

There was nothing unequal about the electorial system. If the northern states were worth more in electorial votes it was because the population of those states was higher. Especially when you exclude the slave population of the south which did not vote.
Lincoln won the election by a plurality just as Clinton did in 1992. And you are correct when you said the splitting of the Democratic vote was irrelivant Electorial votes by the candidates totaled...
Lincoln 180
Breckenridge 72
Bell 39
Douglas 12
72+39+12=123 and 123 is less than 180
If the southern states voted as a block it was to preserve their slave economy.