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Hello Nathan;

Love that link you gave. I posted it in wikianswers as an addendum in the same spot as before. You can get there by clicking on the link I put in a post I made I think two times earlier post I made.

Now, the question I want answered is how long before the Afro-Americans start pulling all those beautiful statues of the Great Emancipator, (lincoln)down and start using the rubble for filler rocks on the beaches to stop erosion of the land. I've lost a few croakers in those getties,(sp).

The reason for the above paragraph...I've seen our crossed bars and stars taken from the Georgia flag as well as many other places throughout these United States. Now...that the Afro-Americans are finally realizing that lincoln caused them soooo much heartache from his lies and underhanded moves, (truth known his statement of so called freeing the slaves caused the formation of the KKK)will the blacks finally realize he was against black folk more than the Southern States ever thought to be.

No Southern born citizen would have ever fought to keep or maintain slavery period. VERY few Southerneres ever owned slaves not to mention want the so called pleasure of owning one.

Now, that our Southern Bars and Stars are tainted by the lies from the North, can we put the blame where it belongs??? In lincolns lap???

When the truth is known then the South won't have to rise again. They can rest in piece after 100 + years of lies and cover-ups.

If you think the government ain't good at cover-ups...LISTEN TO THE NEWS PEOPLE for Christ's sake and our kids at war's sake. Wake ta hell up will you!!!

Jest thought I'd throw this in folks.

Travis

Americans living a lie (government cover-up) for well over 100 years and counting. May the truth be known by all.

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Americans living a lie (government cover-up) for well over 100 years and counting. May the truth be known by all.
The only lie is the continuing mythology that the south was not fighting to keep and maintain a slave econcomy. It most certainly was. It matters not if most white southerns did not own slaves. The slave system was too deeply embedded into the southern economy. Without slavery the agrarian south would have ceased to exist. The south was fighting to maintain that agrarian "king cotton" cash crop economy going hoping even to spread it into the western territories.
 
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The only lie is the continuing mythology that the south was not fighting to keep and maintain a slave econcomy. It most certainly was. It matters not if most white southerns did not own slaves. The slave system was too deeply embedded into the southern economy. Without slavery the agrarian south would have ceased to exist. The south was fighting to maintain that agrarian "king cotton" cash crop economy going hoping even to spread it into the western territories.


Man, if you believe this you're hurting fella...
Here goes...

OK Raft;

I’ll explain this in words the even you should understand.

In today’s world and I’m not to sure about the Yankees feelings on this butttt
We Southerners don’t want Illegal aliens coming across our borders doing the jobs we really want and can do but these Illegal’s will work for practically room and board i.e. slave wages for those of you that haven’t been invaded yet.

Now, take this mindset back to the 1860’s era. Slave owners were getting their slaves to do work for them i.e. blacksmithing, breaking broncs, branding, moving cattle horses ETC… Need I say more? The slaves were taking good high paying jobs from the common folk. SOOOOO HELL no the Southerners didn’t want slaves, (and there were FARRRRR more Southerners than southern slave owners. Remember this fella, Grant, (one of your Generals owned 4 slaves right up to and past the end of the Civil War 1865). I’m thinking he was taken to court and forced to give up his slaves. His wifey had 3 slaves and he had one. I believe he said something like it’s hard to find good help these days.

I don’t know why some of you Yanks can’t seem to get this slavery issue out of your brain. SHEESH, I’d be ashamed to admit I had no more book learnin’ than to think Lincoln fought the South to free slaves. Daaaaaammmmmmnnn, wheres your head fella? Haven’t you done any follow-up on links given here? Wake ta hell up and drink a V8. Come alive, look around you. Stop waking up in a new world every morning. Leave that up to the ducks.

I’ll bet you’re one of those students that the teacher sent a note home for your parents to read…(Johnny’s capable of doing better work. He only needs to apply himself.) Is this you and your life?

Travis
 
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I'd have fought to the bitter end to protect the South, my home, my family, from a preemptive strike. We were invaded by the North! You damn Yanks have been so brainwashed over the slavery issue. Slavery was a scapegoat for an inevitable war between North and South. The Northern Industrialists had wanted war since the 1830's to take Southern resources for pennies on the dollar. These Northern Industrialists brought up a morality claim against the South alleging the evils of slavery. The Northern Hypocrites conveniently neglected to mention that 5 New England States (Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and New York ) were primarily responsible for the importation of most of the slaves from Africa to America. These states had both private and state owned fleets of ships. Indirectly slavery was a cause of the war. Most Southerners did not own slaves and would not have fought for the protection of slavery. However they believed that the North had no Constitutional right to free slaves held by citizens of Sovereign Southern States. Prior to the war there were five times as many abolition societies in the South as in the North. Virtually all educated Southerners were in favor of gradual emancipation of slaves. Gradual emancipation would have allowed the economy and labor system of the South to gradually adjust to a free paid labor system without economic collapse. Furthermore, since the New England States were responsible for the development of slavery in America, Southerners saw the morality claims by the North as blatant hypocrisy. The first state to legalize slavery had been Massachusetts in 1641 and this law was directed primarily at Indians. In colonial times the economic infrastructure of the port cities of the North was dependent upon the slave trade. The first slave ship in America, "THE DESIRE", was fitted out in Marblehead, Massachusetts. Further proof that Southerners were not fighting to preserve slavery is found in the diary of an officer in the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia. He stated that "he had never met a man in the Army of Northern Virginia that claimed he was fighting to preserve slavery". If the war had been over slavery, the composition of the politicians, officers, enlisted men, and even African Americans would have been different. Confederate General Robert E. Lee had freed his slaves prior to 1863 whereas Union General Grant's wife Julia did not free her slaves until after the war when forced to do so by the 13th amendment to the constitution and court action. Grant even stated that if the abolitionists claimed he was fighting to free slaves that he would offer his services to the South. Mildred Lewis Rutherford ( 1852-1928 ) was for many years the historian for the United Daughters Of The Confederacy (UDC). In her book Truths Of History she stated that there were more slaveholders in the Union Army ( 315,000 ) than the Confederate Army ( 200,000 ). Statistics also show that about 300,000 blacks supported the Confederacy versus about 200,000 for the Union. Clearly the war would have been fought along different lines if it had been fought over slavery. The famous English author Charles Dickens stated " the Northern onslaught upon Southern slavery is a specious piece of humbug designed to mask their desire for the economic control of the Southern states."

The North would have invaded even if
slavery had never existed. Prior to the war about 75% of the money to operate the Federal Government was derived from the Southern States via an unfair sectional tariff on imported goods and 50% of the total 75% was from just 4 Southern states--Virginia- North Carolina--South Carolina and Georgia. Only 10%--20% of this tax money was being returned to the South. The Southern states were being treated as an agricultural colony of the North and bled dry.

Furthermore, the United States of America was founded as a Constitutional Federal Republic in 1789 composed of a Limited Federal Government and Sovereign States. The North wanted to and did alter the form of Government this nation was founded upon. The CSA fought to preserve Constitutional Limited Federal Government as established by America’s founding fathers who were primarily Southern Gentlemen from Virginia. Thus Confederate soldiers were fighting for rights that had been paid for in blood by their forefathers upon the battlefields of the American Revolution. Abraham Lincoln had a blatant disregard for The Constitution of the United States of America. His War of aggression against the South changed America from a Constitutional Federal Republic to a Democracy ( with Socialist leanings ) and broke the original Constitution. The Socialist Karl Marx sent Lincoln a letter of congratulations after his reelection in 1864. A considerable number of European Socialists came to America and fought for the Union



"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
--- The Declaration of Independence

So yes, I would have been fighting for my home, my family and for the very principle's in the Declaration of Independence. American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God! Let me hear a Rebel Yell!


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That explains so much.

By the way, from Indiana but would have faught for the CSA.
 
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I grew up in Maryland. My mother's family was from there and my father from Georgia. My father's ancestors were dyed in the wool Confederates. On my mother's side half (the Germans) were with the Union while the Scottish/English ancestors either took up arms with Marse Robert or hung out in Harford County to blow up bridges and tear up train tracks. So I consider myself a somewhat tainted Southerner.

I love my people and the homeland...warts and all. Screw you guys, Im going South Big Grin!
 
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I am a Texan but would fight for the Union. I hold my allegiance to this country over that of my native Texas.
 
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I am a Texan but would fight for the Union. I hold my allegiance to this country over that of my native Texas.


I suppose you want to kill your Dad legally.
(and I'm a TEXAN too)I would never state what you did. Your Dad must have whipped your *** to no end, (LOL). This most likely had a great impact on your way of thinking. I suggest you continue to get a further education and come to some reasoning. One day...You may be big enough to whipp your Dads *** without killing him.

Jest a thought...and grow ta hell up!

If you mention these thoughts to fellow Texans...They'll most likely whip the hell outta your *** too.

Watch what you say. If you don't like Texas...move to Yankeeville. They'll love you there.

Travis
 
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The CSA. of course. I was born and raised in Ky(a border state).My dad was from Tenn.So I would have fought for the south.THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!!Ony this time the line wont be as clear as it was back then.Some northern states will join the cause.As well as some western states.
 
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I'd fight for Texas Beer

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I'd fight for New England and the Union.

If I survived it, I'd probably kill myself. Just the sheer horror of ordering cannons to rip apart your American brothers should be overwhelming for anyone here.

(Food for thought, ever seen many pictures of Civil War officers where they look proud of their service?)


That was a REALLY good post. Applause I like the thought that you put into it. I bet alot of Union and Confederates did just that too. Pretty sad when you think about it, huh?
 
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travisab1,
I never said that I didn't like Texas. Texas is my home. I believe no state is better to its people. Having said that, it doesn't strike me as right for any state to secede from the Union. Thats why I stated my opinion.

"If you mention these thoughts to fellow Texans...They'll most likely whip the hell outta your *** too."

Thats why I have never, nor do I ever intend to, shared my opinion on this subject with fellow Texans in person. I'm not that stupid. Also, I have the utmost respect for my dad. Just to be clear, I'm saying all of this in a friendly tone. I have nothing against you. Just setting the record straight.

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Benjamin Franklin Davis

Civil War Union Army Officer. Born in Alabama and raised in Mississippi, he attended the United States Military Academy, graduating in the Class of 1854. Serving first with the 5th United States Infantry, he later transferred to the 1st United States Dragoons (Cavalry). At the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, although a southerner, he chose to remain loyal to the Union, and was appointed Colonel and commander of the 8th New York Volunteer Cavalry. Legendary as one of the most aggressive and skilled cavalry commanders of the war, Grimes Davis died while rallying his regiment at the Battle of Brandy Station on June 9, 1863. Alone and out in front of his regiment, he was shot from his horse by Lieutenant Owen Allen of the 6th Virginia Cavalry and killed instantly. Enraged by his death, troopers of the regiment charged and killed Sergeant John Stone of the 6th Virginia Cavalry, mistaking him for the killer of Davis. His head was split with a saber blow. Colonel Davis is buried at West Point near another legendary Dragoon and Civil War Cavalry leader, John Buford. He is also surrounded by such notables as George Custer, Judson Kilpatrick, Thomas C. Devin, and Alonzo Cushing. (Additional information by Ethan Bishop). (bio by: J David Petruzzi)


I thought this was interesting.
 
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Jester;

When I was going to school in Texas back in the 50's they taught you that you had the right to take up and bare arms against the government without it being called treason. Had Washington, T. J., Hancock and the likes been caught by the Brits they would have been put to death for treason. That way a clause in the constitution stops this treason thingy can't be held against you when over throwing a government going afoul or States Rights to Secede from an out of control government such as excessively high tax burdens put on the South even before lincoln took office that the North never had to pay.

Lincoln pulled the wool over the eyes of many of his fellow countrymen; (got his ole' Honest butt killed but far to late in his war games) the country was already a shambles from his treason actions of defying the constitution.

They don't teach you these things in school today...not in Texas either. The government is afraid of losing its power and the people getting back control once again after well over a hundred years.

I could go on but look it up for you. Don't be satisfied with hearsay and what government ran schools taught and teach.

Hope this helps you search for the truth.

Travis
 
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Another thing to consider,where are school text books made?And where are the writers from?Lets see,Im going to guess above the Mason/Dixon.Thats how and why students are treated like mushrooms:Kept in the dark and fed alot of bull.What do you all think of my theory?
 
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Dave;

I'm thinking you're right there. After all if you are going to rewrite history you have to have standardization. The standard comes from somewhere in the North. These writers of text books are fast learning the consequences of getting caught like ENRON, CIA destroying Videos of water board torturing, and Voo-Coo’s of other findings getting the big wigs jail, prison time and high dollar fines.

I wonder how long before history book writers will have pay for their wrong doings. Things are getting a bit scary…like soon…all hell is going to break lose when the ultra rich can’t buy their way out of jails and prisons. It’s getting there and at really a fast pace. Saving face and spending years behind bars for illegal conduct is running nose to nose. The Internet is proving all history books are being challenged for their integrity…you might say at no end.

How much money did O. J. spend to prove he was an innocent man??? How about Robert Blake, what did he spend? Michael Jackson…what did he spend to prove his innocence??? The list goes on. When their money is all gone…what will they do then??? I’ll tell you, serve the time like any other ordinary American. You do the crime…you pay the fine/time or both.

History text book for schools writers have got to be shaking in their boots with no place to run. The next couple of years will release untold stories of the horrors of our countries past cover-ups for sure. Some heads are going to roll. Roll Eyes

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Travis.What it proves to me is if you have the money those three clowns have you can buy your way out of anything,even murder.Speaking of murder,what did O.J.get on this last charge?I havent heard anything for awhile.
 
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Dave;

I'm thinking OJ will come out smelling like a rose. The CIA and probably FBI too were implicated with him. The CIA had to step in fast for him because of the water boarding...or was it a snow boarding video the CIA destroyed???

Wellll, I suppose we have really gone too far off topic here. Confused

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Even though I'm from Ohio, I would have gone to Richmond and joined JEB Stuart. Wouldn't even have thought a moment about it. Would have grabbed my Colts and headed south!
 
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Travis,did you get carried away on the post now tab? Wink
 
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Travis,did you get carried away on the post now tab? Wink




Hello Dave;

If you’re talking about the Yankee under each arm bit…your probably right. I’ve heard that saying ever since I heard about the first Mexican to cross the river swimming naked with his clothes in a bag. It seems funny that some folks take life soooo dam seriously and can’t roll with the punches. This politically incorrect/correct world we live in today has sooo many hang-ups that they are unable to take a joke.

You can bet your bottom dollar the Yankees have one or two jokes about Johnny Reb but afraid to say it thinking they’ll be deemed sht heads for lack of better words. I have kinfolk born and raised in Inkster, Michigan, Camden, New Jersey, Cincinnati, Ohio and other places in Yankeeville. They as well as I of course had folks that fought for the North and the South. We used to see them a lot back in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s but not that much any more. I remember all those loud parties when we were together as a kid. I can’t remember them fighting each other that much when I was a kid buttttt do remember all the name calling in what I hope was laughter. When we or they left the visitor had a free tank of gas and at times 2 or 3 five gallon gas cans in the turtle shell to help them get back home.

Those were the good ole’ days when you could depend on help from your kin wheather he lived in Yankeeville or in a town 4 or 500 miles away. No welfare and somehow the kin lending the help always got back more than he was put out.

In school, when you didn’t know if you were talking about a man or a woman you always used the masculine gender. Not Mr/Ms. I get so dam sick of having to watch my p’s & q’s. If you look at the p and the q you’ll notice they are exactly the same except one is turned in a differant direction. If you’re a type setter in the old days you had to watch out for this and be sure to use the right one to get a point across.

If it’s Lincoln you’re talking about…how could there ever be a reason so grave to get over 630,000 people slaughtered and name the slaughterer an American hero. Try to get this many American people killed today for any cause and see how far you’ll get not to mention the name calling and actions taken against the one wanting to kill this many people.

It’s a wild, wild world out there and all these mall, school, freeway killings are growing more common place. I just think folks need to wake up and smell the roses and make sure that it is a rose and not hog dung. Angel/Devil

Travis
 
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