Here's is what my recruiter told me. The Air Force is only looking for 56 jobs right now. If you want something else apparently you have to wait. On the job list all Operations jobs are open. So, SERE is one of the jobs that as long as you qualify for it you should get it. As always life is not a garuntee and you might get screwed somewhere along the line.
As a matter of fact, on my job listing I am ONLY listing SERE. I was considering listing TACP too but, well, we'll see I'm still not 100% of a back up job. I really want to be SERE.
QUOTE: My issue with the jeep from the earlier post was that how much respect SERE received as a highly trained unit was somehow directly related to the color of their beret and how many "cool points" they had. I've met SERE Specs, I know the training they have to go through and the training they have the option to go through...and all of the ones I've met are SERE because they want to be, not because they lack the ability to be an operator. END QUOTE
Dude, uninformed personal attacks only make you look stupid, stupid, stupid. I was an Airborne SERE instructor in the US Air Force. BEFORE the wearing of that beret. I've earned the right to comment on it. I may have no say in what is worn, but I sure as hell can comment. I see your SF, so that must be why you are so defensive about any remarks on berets.
I suppose I should take offense to your derogatory comment regarding female gentilia, however, your simply a wanna-be. Someday I may listen to what you have to say, but until then...
You're right, for now I'm only a wanna-be. However, your comments now confuse me more since they seem to only degrade and disrespect the current members of your prior career field. So I rescind the comment about jeep, something you're not if what you say is true, however you comments now seem only more inappropriate as you used to be one of them. "Cool points" based on their headgear? Btw, what are you doing now? out or retrain?
Asked a few questions to PanamaRed. Here's what he said.
quote:Hey how's it going? Sorry it took me so long to respond we were having an exercise so naturally I was busy...ok here goes...you asked:
What we should be focusing on in regards to both physical and mental preparation?
A: Preparation is usually more of the ancillary things around you, take care of your bills, wife, girlfriends etc...anything that could distract you while going through the school. People fail out for two reason at SERE school, reason one, they can't teach or speak in public....Reason two, they can't keep their personal life from interfering with tech school...keep in mind you'll be in tech school for 6 months...that doesn't count indoc and pcs time etc...so you need to have as little drama as possible so you can be focused and not have anything to worry about if you're tdy for 3 weeks straight every month for 6 months...it's a lot to ask.
As far as mental preparation...they key to being a SERE guy is not about being a hardass or some psycho, it's about mentally thinking about "why" you are doing something and understanding it completely, and if you don't--ask! This isn't like annual chem. training that you are trying to cooperate and graduate through...everything you learn in tech school is important to being a SERE Specialist.
Another thing to help you mentally prepare for this is learn not to quit! Have you ever been at the gym and running on a treadmill? You set the time for 20 minutes and next thing you know you're at the 12 minute mark saying to yourself...screw this, I have gotten my workout already...everyone does this, even me...however it will end your career at the schoolhouse...if you quit, you're gone, if you say you're "thinking" about SIEing (self initiated elimination) you're gone. We want people who WANT to be there no matter how shitty the conditions are. We do this job because we LOVE it, not for the money...every SERE guy has a college degree, yes you ready it right, EVERY SERE guy...whether it be a two year CCAF degree or a bachelors degree we stay because we believe in what we do. I work here on average 9 hours per day, one weekend a month and at least 3 different bases...the toll road fees and gas come out of my pocket because I believe these guys need the training I can provide. Our AF personnel who receive it take it for granted when our Army, Navy and MC counter parts beg for this information before they go to war. So I spend a lot of my own time setting up briefs and training for other people...these are people that need it though...So back to my original point, never quit, always keep your focus that no matter how shitty things may be...the training you give WILL save someone's life someday. This is unlike any other career field you'll ever come into, and IF you graduate, you'll be glad you made the switch.
Ok question 2, you asked:
My PAST scores were a pass on the swim (not easy), 10:49 run, 8 pull-up , 50 sit-ups, and barely made 44 push-ups. Just to put it into perspective, those calistenic numbers were total muscle failure. Would you be worried if you were me?
A: The purpose of the PAST test is not to assess your ability to do the SERE job, it is to assure you can meet the Army standards for going to jump school, HALO, dive etc. If you can run 3 miles in 21 minutes, (army standard is 2 miles in 15:56) perform 52 pushups, 52 sit-ups in two minutes each and finally 6 pull ups you are a go...the swim...not that big of a deal...as long as you pass...once you start tech school we do PT maybe 10 times in 6 months...no time to PT, just learn...
I hope this helps you out...if you could post this to the military.com website that would be great...hooks up other folks that have the same question as you.
quote:A: The purpose of the PAST test is not to assess your ability to do the SERE job, it is to assure you can meet the Army standards for going to jump school, HALO, dive etc....
Wow, an inaccurate answer.
For entry into this specialty (ref AF Manual 36-2128) 22.214.171.124. Successful completion of the SERE Physical Ability and Stamina Test (PAST).
Award and retention of the 1T031/1T051/1T091 SERE AFSCs lack any requirement to obtain and sustain any military parachutist or combat diver or SCUBA qualifications or to perform these duties to retain award of AFSC or to perform these duties.
Award of the SERE AFSC five level does require completion of the water survival parachuting course but that is mostly conducted using parasailing as most of the students attending have no military parachutist qualifications. Since there is no mandatory requirement to attend and successfully complete Army airborne and HALO courses or combat diver course the only purpose of the PAST is to ensure you have the ability to do the SERE job.
Compare to CCT and Pararescue where successfull completion of Airborne, HALO, and combat diver courses are mandatory for award of AFSC and retention of AFSC requires sustaining static line, HALO, combat divers qualifications and performance of these duties.
quote:My PAST scores were a pass on the swim (not easy),
The SERE Past swim requirement is 200 meters surface non-stop swim with no time limit.
Compared to a PAST requiring a 500 meter timed surface swim and a 20 meter underwater swim (one breath).
quote:Center of attention is not my thing.. Maybe CCT would be better for me?
Probably not. If you consider interacting in the classroom as the instructor being the undesirable center of attention, then CTT is not the job for you either. Instead of students, you are briefing and interacting with groups of officers, NCOs, etc as you do mission prep and other activities. You are the center of attention because when you show up many interested people are interested in you briefing the answers or at least the plan of action.
quote:But, I never been in an air plane, How would i even jump out of one?
I also read about teaching other students? Center of attention is not my thing..
Does that mean i shouldnt try SERE?
I'm still looking for something i will be happy doing for awhile.
I've Always had change in my life. Doing repetative jobs gets boring.
Well....my .02 would include the following:
I suggest you cowboy the hell up and try something out and actually know if you can or cant do it before you disqualify yourself from ever succeeding. If that kind of attitude is the norm for you, then SERE, and certainly CCT are not the jobs you should be looking into.
Your comments did not introduce any relation to confusion needing clarification or questions needing answers. Your comments did introduce an identifiable behavior marker about yourself and we did nothing more than provide some appropriate career advice. So we did give you help, you just didn’t like the help we provided. If you have anything relevant to ask, ask and you will be given a considerate and pertinent answer.
Well, I'm looking for a job that when i come out of the air force, i can have a job that pays well because the experience i would have, (maybe an Electrician?) There are a bunch of jobs in the Air Force and i only know of a handful. What would you prefer?
Is there a website i could look at to see the jobs?
quote:Originally posted by 6435218: Well, I'm looking for a job that when i come out of the air force, i can have a job that pays well because the experience i would have, (maybe an Electrician?) There are a bunch of jobs in the Air Force and i only know of a handful. What would you prefer?
Is there a website i could look at to see the jobs?
If you don't have the initiative to search on your own maybe the US Military isn't right for you.
And if you truely want to know the first place to start is an Air Force recruiter. From my experience they're usually pretty knowledgeable people.
Perhaps, but it remains to be seen if you are eligible for the jobs the Air Force has available. The military might not want you, if it is determined there is lack of possessing the ability to learn the jobs available or lack the physical health and fitness to do the work expected of a military vocation.
Visit a recruiter.
[This message was edited by johca on Wed, 09 February 2005 at 20:59.]
[QUOTE] Hello, I am a prior service US Marine, I am looking into joining the NY ANG they now have a SERE Specialist slot open, they also have Pararescue as a career feild, I have been working as a police officer and the 24 month active school requiremnet is way too high, however about 12 for SERE sounds good, anyone have any idea how this feild will work in the Guard and how could a job thats in this high demand adaquately train on a reserve schedual? IE: 1 weekend a month and 15 days a year? thanks in advance Patrick