I just wonderd if PJ's have free time for school, fun or whatever after work. How long is a normal work day? And are weekends off?

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I just wonderd if PJ's have free time for school, fun or whatever after work. How long is a normal work day? And are weekends off?

No such thing as a normal work week, or a normal work day. Never has been, never will be. If pursuing academic goals during time off is a priority, the typical PJ will arrange his off duty activities to fulfill this priority. However, since the first enlistment is tech school (about 2 years) and the subsequent two years after tech school includes significant mission ready upgrade and 5-level skill upgrade training, education, and development I offer the opinion when also considering current perstempo to support current military operations around the world, you will be so busy learning on duty, off duty time will probably be spent doing something else.

Why all the questions about a career field you are not on career track to enter?

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Why all the questions about a career field you are not on career track to enter?[/QUOTE]

It was just a question I'm not on any career track. Not even sure what I would learn if I did go back to school. I want PJ because I love extreme sports and mechanical (is what I enlisted for) might be boring. I want a job I'll be excited to return to.

Adventure; excitement; a Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless.

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I want PJ because I love extreme sports and mechanical (is what I enlisted for) might be boring. I want a job I'll be excited to return to.

Your other posts disclose you are reporting to BMT on 1 July 2008 with a mechanical aptitude area enlistment. Your other posts also indicate you are expecting to be trained to do an Aircraft Electrical and Environmental Systems job after you complete BMT.

1. Pararescue is a General Aptitude area job.
2. Pararescue is 100% GTEP which means you have to pass the PAST and meet other minimum job qualifications before even reporting to BMT.

Consequently, you are not on any path that will result in you even having or getting the opportunity to quit PJ Indoc/selection training. Impressive not is your love for extreme sports. This extreme sports fantasy of yours is irrelevant to mechanical might be boring because a mechanic is what you’re going to be a mechanic.

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QUOTE]Your other posts disclose you are reporting to BMT on 1 July 2008 with a mechanical aptitude area enlistment. Your other posts also indicate you are expecting to be trained to do an Aircraft Electrical and Environmental Systems job after you complete BMT.

1. Pararescue is a General Aptitude area job.
2. Pararescue is 100% GTEP which means you have to pass the PAST and meet other minimum job qualifications before even reporting to BMT.

Consequently, you are not on any path that will result in you even having or getting the opportunity to quit PJ Indoc/selection training. Impressive not is your love for extreme sports. This extreme sports fantasy of yours is irrelevant to mechanical might be boring because a mechanic is what you’re going to be a mechanic.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about me? I signed open mechanical and leave July 22 2008 and I dont know what job I'll have untill after basic. I've never even heard of AEES.

My recruiter told me if I complete the past then PJ will get bumped to the top of my list because its a high priority job and then I'll get a new contract to sign. Is that correct ?

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Originally posted by tinman988:

My recruiter told me if I complete the past then PJ will get bumped to the top of my list because its a high priority job and then I'll get a new contract to sign. Is that correct ?

Sort of. You must also possess several other minimum qualifications. PULHES to medical physical standards (Flying Class III, Parachutist to include HALO, and Marine Diving Duty) have considerable higher health and physiological standards than the generic eligible to enlist physical medical examination. There are also a few morals standards (i.e a person may get a drug use waiver to enlist, but getting one for the PJ speciality is a different difficulty considering the narcotics and other drugs we have significant access to) and security clearance qualification requirements.

Also don’t let the General aptitude score fool you regarding the cognitive ability to make it through training. The learning needed be done is as academically challenging as it is physically challenging. The diversity of knowledge that must be applied with out a reference library present while doing the typical mission is considerable.

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Are you talking about me? I signed open mechanical and leave July 22 2008 and I dont know what job I'll have untill after basic. I've never even heard of AEES.

No, I stand corrected-some how I looked cross eyed at your previous posts and read somebody else’s. You posted “Open mechanical leaving for BMT 22 Jul. No mention of a specific career field.”

Thanks for info. Do you know what qualifies for flying class 3? And as far as fantasies go are you saying I shouldn't do something I'll like? I've been all over specialtactics.com I know what will be expected of me and handicaps I'm risking.

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And as far as fantasies go are you saying I shouldn't do something I'll like?

!. You do not know you will like it. 2. Liking or loving extreme sports is not exactly the same facing of hardship and hazard the performing of pararescue duties will demand of you. 3. You failed to disclose any specific extreme sports you participate in doing. Although all extreme sports tend to expose to hazard, the intensity and duration of hardship varies.

To me extreme sports are all about people who get off on taking risk...a lot of them unecessary risks. A PJ takes risk, but it isn't a cheap thrill risk. It is a calculated and well managed risk. Very different from smacktards base jumping off bridges. Don't try to judge what a job does based on movies and commercials.

Hey bro, get your mind and body in shape, try out for PJ take your PAST test whatever. If you make it you make it, if you dont you dont. At least you can say you've been there tried that it wasnt for you. Just dont quit!

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To me extreme sports are all about people who get off on taking risk...a lot of them unnecessary risks.

Perhaps, but more importantly these sports tend to involve lots of practice to get the proficiency needed to repetitively perform and survive. The getting of sought after recognition as being accomplished and respected in the extreme sport arena does require certain character traits needed to be a PJ or to do other similar type jobs.

The difference is already mentioned in that the risks taken are not to result in needless and avoidable loss of life or injury of (pertinent to doing PJ duties) the rescuer. The other difference is extreme sports tend to be individual goal oriented rather than team or working together team oriented. Relevant to rescue work there is typically one or more survivor to consider. No matter how much risk it might be imagined the PJ takes or is willing to take, the needs, ability, and willingness of the survivor brings on more hardship of effort rather than excitement and thrill being imagined. You are there doing to bring somebody back alive or in other situations to recover something. This type of activity involves a lot of willingness to work with others and a lot of depending on others.

The extreme sport participant gets to chose time, place, location, and other conditions, the PJ does not get these choices as he is responding to random unconnected incidences that can and do happen unexpectedly anyplace at any time.

Being a PJ involves lots of trust that all on the team have known and understood capability and ability. The team leader, or PJ doing command and control has to have a lots of confidence in being able to say this mission can get done because any PJ can do it because of the daily training each PJ does and the mission ready proficiency each and every PJ sustains.

The successful PJ has as much commitment to team improvement as he has in self improvement. The first enlistment is two years of the Air Force improving you by giving the training needed to perform PJ duties. The subsequent two years of the typical entry four year enlistment is the rookie PJ being there on a team participating and contributing in a manner that demonstrates the is doing their part in sustaining and improving team readiness and team capability.

Regarding team, to the dismay to those who buy into popular myth, there is an I’ in team. In fact there are several I’s. A team is a group of individuals having the willingness and ability to equally participate and contribute in getting something done. This does not mean the individual abandons his or her personal goals and interests. It does mean understanding the purpose for the existence of team has legitimate competition for the individual’s time and efforts. Others on the team also have their personal goals and interests and one person does not have more entitlement or privilege to be concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself than the others have. Seeking and concentrating only on one’s own advantage doesn’t often result in the making of a individual qualified to perform PJ duties.

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Paintball, snowboarding, sk8 not anymore. And I thought I was technical wow Johnca you really dig deep into my soul to discover my motives for wanting this. I understand you need to weed out the wannabees and to you im just another one but I think your doing a great job.