i always thought that TACP required the PAST test like PJ and CCT, but after browsing around, it doesnt look like it. i duno it seems hard to believe since it seems TACP career field requires the same type of physical stamina as the other too? while im at it... SERE's dont need PAST test do they?
I'm currently in block three right now and our tac - p PAST test to initially start flight, or qualify for the job at Lackland was 2 mile run in 15:54 ; 42 pushups in 2 minutes (real pushups) ; 55 situps (real situps) 2 minutes. You do not need to do any pullups on your initial past test , or to start flight. You have 4 PT evaluations during the course and the on the second you have to do 2 , the third you have to do 4 , the fourth you have to do 8. Swimming is done and over with.. (???)
PAST test to initially start flight, or qualify for the job at Lackland was 2 mile run in 15:54 ; 42 pushups in 2 minutes (real pushups) ; 55 situps (real situps) 2 minutes.
Think were talking about two seperate time frames...There is one before you show up (Retrainee package, basic trainees to GTEP) then there is one at lackland/hurlburt....
Just a difference, not arguing with you, two different timeframes
The swim requirement was dropped shortly after its introduction. The requirements for entry into the schoolhouse are a 60 in each category of the APFT, 70 in each category to graduate. Work on your pull-ups also, you want to get there being able to do at least 8.
When I took the entry level TACP test in BMT 2 years ago, to just pass we had to do 50 push ups, 50 sit ups and the 2 mile run in 15:54 I think. Not to sure on the run because I was more focused on maxing out the run time.
Originally posted by herm21: i duno it seems hard to believe since it seems TACP career field requires the same type of physical stamina as the other too? while im at it... SERE's dont need PAST test do they?
A good question considering if you actually looked at the PAST standards for TACP, SERE, CCT, and PJ specialties you would find SERE and TACP PAST standards differ considerably from PJ/CCT PAST standards and more importantly, to my knowledge, neither SERE or TACP have an annual mission ready fitness test requirement for retention of AFSC and qualification to perform duties above and beyond minimum Air Force fitness standards identified in AFR 10-248 or Army fitness standards identified in FM 51-20.
The PAST regardless of Air Force speciality reflects minimum fitness standards needed to do the typical work and tasks preformed by all members of the speciality regardless of rank and duty position. There are actually two PAST, the PAST standard required to enter training and the PAST standard required to retain AFSC and qualification to perform duties of the speciality. Once awarded AFSC retention of qualification to perform duties of the AFSC is typically not dependent on meeting a fitness standard. CCT and PJ speciality differs in that a PAST standard above and beyond the Air Force fitness standards identified in AFR 10-248 is prescribed by the Department of the Air Force. Failure to pass PAST results in disqualification to hold AFSC and perform duties of AFSC.
All holding PJ/CCT AFSCs and performing PJ or CCT duties are required to sustain airborne and military freefall parachutist qualification, combat diver qualifications, and other mission ready qualifications. Typical duties performed by all members of these AFSCs require readiness to perform in frequent situations and circumstances of hardship, hazard, and physical, emotional, and mental stress. The annual speciality PAST for CCT and PJ reflects minimum fitness standards needed to do the work and tasks as expected.
The attending an Army school or course requires meeting the minimum Army Physical Fitness Test standards of the specific course. Here are the standards of a few Army courses:
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Course No: 2E–SI5P/SQI7/011–SQIP Title: Airborne Length: 3 Weeks Location: U.S. Army Infantry School – SC: 071
Male/Female: Must pass the Army Physical Fitness Test (FM 21–20 w/changes) with a score of 180 points (60 points in each event using the 17 to 21 year age group scale). Test must have been administered not more than 30 days prior to date of application.
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Course No: 2E–SI5S–5R/011–SQIV–G Title: Ranger Length: 8 Weeks, 5 Days Location: U.S. Army Infantry School – SC: 071
Male only.
The first four days of Ranger School will assess individual readiness to participate in Ranger training. Student who successfully completed the first four days of the course will remain in training. (Those who do not successfully complete each event or allowable retest, are offered an opportunity to ’recycle’ into the next Ranger class, contingent upon approval from parent unit). Commander will certify that applicant is proficient in the following tasks: Army Physical Fitness Test consisting of 52 pushups, 62 sit–ups, and a two–mile run in running shoes in 14: 54 minutes or less. In addition, applicant must execute six chin–ups (palms facing toward the face). Combat water survival test consisting of three stations. The 15–meter swim: swim 15 meters with rifle, wearing BDUs, boots, and load–carrying equipment (pistol belt, suspenders, two ammunition pouches, and two full canteens), without loss of rifle or equipment and without showing unusual fear or panic. The 3–meter drop: walk blindfolded off a 3–meter diving board with rifle and LCE. After entering the water, remove blindfold and swim to poolside without loss of rifle or equipment and without showing signs of fear or panic. Equipment removal: from poolside, enter water and immediately submerge and remain under water. Discard rifle and remove LCE. Surface and swim to poolside without showing unusual signs of fear or panic. Five–mile run (8–minute/ mile pace), 8 mile foot march (15–minute/mile pace) with 35–pound rucksack. Day and night land navigation. Ranger stakes consisting of 13 tasks. A minimum of 10 tasks will be tested and applicant must receive a ’go’ in seven of the 10 tested tasks. (One retest is allowed per task failed).
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Course No: 2E–SI4W/4Y/011–ASIW7/W9 Title: Special Forces Combat Diver Qualification Length: 4 Weeks, 2 Days Location: U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Spec Warfare Center – SC: 331
Male Only.
Must pass the APRT with a minimum of 70 points in each event and an overall score of 210 or above (scored on 17–21 year age group IAW FM 21–20). Must meet the height and weight standards as outlined in AR 600–9.
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Keep in mind that ROMADs are not part of the Spec Op community. ROMADs can and do participate with Spec Op units. Unfortunately when you look at the break down of units, or wings in the Air Force, the 3 Spec Op units are the PJs, CCT and 160th SOAR. ROMADs are considered primarly a conventional force asset with options to support Spec Ops. Now is the Air Force SOC wants to someday roll ROMADs into their house then things will be different for tests and qualifications.
Originally posted by Ironshamrock: Keep in mind that ROMADs are not part of the Spec Op community. ROMADs can and do participate with Spec Op units. Unfortunately when you look at the break down of units, or wings in the Air Force, the 3 Spec Op units are the PJs, CCT and 160th SOAR. ROMADs are considered primarly a conventional force asset with options to support Spec Ops. Now is the Air Force SOC wants to someday roll ROMADs into their house then things will be different for tests and qualifications.
The 160th SOAR (Special Operations Aviation Regiment) is an Army unit headquartered on Fort Campbell. BTW I already sent you a email, but you need to come clean and correct your poser profile, unless you really are an active duty SrA and a WWII vet. Have you ever been in the Army? If not get rid of the Army awards that not even a TACP would earn.
TACP as a career field are not SOF, they are ACC assets, not AFSOC assets. However, like already mentioned, they have volunteer positions that are attached to Army Special Forces and Ranger units. One man ROMAD team.
Go to http://www.romad.com/main.htm and then goto TACP 411 then go to SF/Ranger. There you'll read more on Special Operations Forces (SOF) TACP.
BTW, Special Forces is an Army MOS, and most people posting here don't comprehend what Special Operations is and what Special Opeations isn't.
You may have an understanding of what special operations and U.S. Army Special Forces is and isn't if you can comprehend what is being discussed in this article. (the prerequisite is comprehend and not agree or disagree).
When talking military occupations like infantry, U.S. Army Rangers, U.S. Marine Recon, Navy SEAL, USAF PJ, USAF CCT, etc. the basic common denominators are functional fitness, unit or team combat readiness, concepts of operations, and employment tactics.
TACP like Combat weathers primary employment is support large Army units that have been mobilized and deployed to conduct military operations. There is a demarcation of where the majority of TACP and combat weather will and will not be asked to perform duties. The TACP does have a small percentage of its members involved a bit more tactically and this is very clearly disclosed at http://www.romad.com/main.htm
What waiver???
