THE BEST RIFLE THE ARMY EVER BOUGHT. Why is it that every time we go to war, the services seem to pull this weapon out of mothballs and use it to great success, then as soon as the fighting stops, discard it again?
Carefull abotu saying the bestbut, it does completely kick butt. I can fire one all day and the round will stop a man without fail unless I don't get a good shot. it also has unbelievable reliablity and accuracy is good too.
An updated version of this rifle (i.e. the Springfield SOCOM 16) should be our standard infantry weapon. Accurate, reliable, and great knock down power.
one of the best rifles ever made, it should be used more especially given to sniper teams. every sqaud should have at least 1 or 2. thats one helluva weapon.
Originally posted by 8979690: An updated version of this rifle (i.e. the Springfield SOCOM 16) should be our standard infantry weapon. Accurate, reliable, and great knock down power.
i agree. but wat i think wat brass is saying is that it is expensive to field for an army. this one is a spec.ops toy.
Originally posted by 8979690: An updated version of this rifle (i.e. the Springfield SOCOM 16) should be our standard infantry weapon. Accurate, reliable, and great knock down power.
the socomII has spec. ops written all over it...xm-8 wiull be the standard weapon of choice. tooo bad, wat a kick *** weapon....
shame it costs to much $. it is perfect for light infantry...Rangers, A-TEAMS, SEALS, DELTA, MARINE RECON, SOME AIRBORNE UNITS. REAL USEFUL FOR AIR FORCE PARA-RESCUE. WE BETTER START MIXING IT UP, USING THAT OICW 2, 3 PER PLATOON IS A GREAT MIX. WALKING THUNDER. WAT HAPPENED TO THAT DOCTRINE?
I agree. I went threw sniper school with this weapon. At first I thought "Somewhere theres a Museum thats missing a weapon" But after being taught by members of Ft.Benning I was able to pass the course. The weapon is beautifully made and you can fire the weapon dry beacuse theres no carbon being blow onto the bolt. I also can testify that this weapon is very good, but I wouldnt suggest going for anything past 700 meters. For a weapon as old as it is, it can still be called a min and ahalf gun.!
Originally posted by drl1n1: I agree. I went threw sniper school with this weapon. At first I thought "Somewhere theres a Museum thats missing a weapon" But after being taught by members of Ft.Benning I was able to pass the course. The weapon is beautifully made and you can fire the weapon dry beacuse theres no carbon being blow onto the bolt. I also can testify that this weapon is very good, but I wouldnt suggest going for anything past 700 meters. For a weapon as old as it is, it can still be called a min and ahalf gun.!
Hey! Give the "old girl" her due!! I carried a proto-type "way back when". Our "Team" was tasked out ...everywhere: Delay and Harrassment" actions , for allowing one our small units to "disengage" from a superior force. Maybe 33 years ago, mine was in better shape than yours..Korean "Lend-Lease" re-patriots. We would not even USE the scope under 700 meters!! My Longest "deliveries" : +1350 and 1700 meters. M20 what-ever is CRAP. The M-21 RULES!!!!! -jon
the M14 is probobly the best rifle to come out in service since the M1 garand. Like 8979690 said the new SOCOM 16 should be the standard infantry weapon. It would be a heck of a lot better than those M16s we are using now.
if i was in a position to pick a sniper weapon, this is it. i think its the best combat rifle made since the garand. but, not my choice in cqb. m-4, mp5, and the compact version of SCAR. HOW ABOUT the g36c? the germans always stress qaulity. i think i would stay with the m-4, load those pic rails up with wat you need, and go to work.
Originally posted by Marines13: the M14 is probobly the best rifle to come out in service since the M1 garand. Like 8979690 said the new SOCOM 16 should be the standard infantry weapon. It would be a heck of a lot better than those M16s we are using now.
love to see it, but NATO WOULD GET IN THE WAY. 5.56 nato, to 7.62 for U.S. infantry divisions? shame, but we are locked in here. hey, the SCAR has a 7.62 version. i think JSOC will have a new toy with the SCAR. HAPPY RECON finally gets thier due, and all the goodies that come with it.
Navy boarding and security teams still the m-14 there is also the designated marksman or "snip[er" version for long range support of those teams, we also still use the m-60
I did 6 years active duty in the CORPS 1968 thru 1974 and although the Matty Mattel 16 was in general issue I was lucky enough to be able to choose what I would carry due to my duties and always believed that I had better odds of coming home from I Corps having an accurate shooter at 500 to 1000 yds rather than an easy to carry "light weight" only efficent to a max of 350yds Hell by the time Charles had moved from 1000 yds down to where you could possibly bruise him if you accidently hit him past 300 I figured I should be able to get off alot of shots that with a hit almost anywhere will totally mess up your day. And to top that off Having been well trained from early childhood through Edson Range and Quantico I knew that even at 1000 yds I should be able tom get at least 7 killing shots out of 10. The 14 is not only more accurate and deadly than the Mattel but imagine for just 1 minute depending on a verticle butt stroke with a cheap plastic stock to save the lives of you and your unit .I don't know bout anyone else but I sure didnt mind humping the extra pounds as payment for yhe pay off of having a sturdy accurate deadly dependable tool of my trade. The M1911A1 is far superior side arm to the easier to shoot with out good training 9mm. As Col. Jeff Cooper recently said in answer to the comment that after several hits from a 9mm or a 5.56 Most terriorists lose their aggresive posture the Col. responded that after just one hit from either the .45 or the 7.62 they normally lose all their posture eternally. The M-16 wqas just another piece of hardware that warriors have forced down their throats by arrogant politicians who themselves were to busy to carry anything to war for their country seeking only to carry themselves to the bank to deposit their dividends from their " investments " in the defense sector. Back to the M14 I fired for qualification 12 times during my enlistment never scoring lower than high expert and spent approx 780 days in the "Bush"and I'm still here and in one piece in a large part due to my m14 ,M1911A1, a Colt Python .357mag ,my K-Bar and a Gerber MKII and my kids grandkids and new great grandson are happy I had these wonderful antique weapons in my posession during that time in my life
Originally posted by 9105532: This was my baby when I was in Nam 66-67 One of the best the Army ever had. Never a doubt in my mind that it would stand the test of time.
best combat rifle ever made? i think so a lotta times. i wonder how that socomII handles? well, even if thier made in CROATIA, its still puts out real good weapons. i got 2 pistols, .45xd, 9mm sub w/mag. extension.
Back in late 2004 when our Marine Corps League detachment was ramping up to do the Veteran's Day parade, one of the "older" salts was passing out the "Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down" squad level weapons report to all the Marines that were there.
I didn't get a chance to read the report until several days after the parade. Once I reviewed it, I wrote a letter to Senator Tom Coburn, suggesting that immediate action be taken on this matter as THIS was more valuable intel than anything to EVER come out of the field.
THIS Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down Squad Level Weapons Quality Assessment Report was coming from American's children that were on the front lines of the OIF, OEH and the War on Terror. THIS report spoke volumes an dthe Senator took this serious and immediately placed it into the hands of those that served on the Senate Armed Forces Committee.
This report and the follow-up action was so important that I received a personal phone call from Senator Coburn. THAT shocked me, as the call came into Tulsa, Oklahoma at around 6:00 PM, from Washington, DC, meaning that the Senator was calling me at 7:00 PM his time. For him to even bother to call rather than having a staff member send a canned letter spoke volumes.
I think it was the next month, the magazine Small Arms Review came out with the title, "M-14 Back In Action".
I further found out that a lot of the M14's and the Colt 1911A1 45's were in fact coming out of mothball and headed to the field.
From here on out, the only way that I will have ANY possible support and follow-up is by getting the word from our Marines in the theatre to send me any updates to support the word that these weapons are in fact being fielded to them. So, if ANY of you have direct contact with our Marines in theatre, have them write me when they get a chance at USMC0351Grunt@yahoo.com
In the meantime, I'm looking for one myself when the opportunity permits. Field first, private collectors wayyyyy second.
the M-14 was too good for its own good. the range, and the $ were said to be no good for jungle warfare. the 14 is super accurate. so, they built the M-16. it sucked back then. now, the kinks have been worked out, and i wonder how many troops carry the M-16A4. full-auto, improved. i still favor the M-4. I would like to know how many M16A4'S are in use.
Qualified "Expert" with M-14 in basic. Loved that heavy "piece". Could hit anything, as long as you could see it. Army took my M-14 away, and gave me "new" M-16. Higher rate of fire, but not as much knock down, or accuacy as the M-14. If they ever release them, i will be one of the first in line ! Vietnam vet 68-69/72-73
