RE: http://tech.military.com/equipment/view/89059/m1911a1-....tol.html?eq_id=89059

Oh yeah! She'll "get 'er done!"

I'll take it over the 9mm anyday and 2x on Sunday.

the colt 1911 45acp is a graet gun I think one of the best gun in the world I have shot the 9mm to I dont like them I have a 1911 45acp I like it alot it is a graet gun

I AM A IRAQ VET AND ALSO A VETNAM VET W/A TOUR W/ MACVSOG. I BELIVE THAT WE NEED THE 45 CAL INTO OUR ****NAL AGAIN. I STILL OWN A 45 AND BELIVE IN ITS STOPPING POWER MORE SO THAN THE PIECE OF ****9MM WE HAD IN IRAQ.OLD SOLIDERS DONT DIE US AND OUR WEAPONS FADE AWAY.

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Originally posted by 12857114:
I AM A IRAQ VET AND ALSO A VETNAM VET W/A TOUR W/ MACVSOG. I BELIVE THAT WE NEED THE 45 CAL INTO OUR ****NAL AGAIN. I STILL OWN A 45 AND BELIVE IN ITS STOPPING POWER MORE SO THAN THE PIECE OF ****9MM WE HAD IN IRAQ.OLD SOLIDERS DONT DIE US AND OUR WEAPONS FADE AWAY.

Just curious where you got your combat jump, and your second CIB?

Not to call you a liar....but according to your profile, you are a liar.

MAC-V was downsized in '72, and completely disbanded in '73. ALL Rangers were out of Vietnam by '72. Yet, you claim Vietnam combat service with 1st Batt/75th AND MAC-V in 1974-1976. Lie #1

You say you did not serve in Desert Storm ("era" vet saying you were in Korea), which leaves OIF to stand in the door. But there was only one OIF combat jump.....in 2003. You claim OIF-4('05-'06). Only the 173 Airborne jumped (with a few AF personnel, and the 250th FST). The 101 (again, your profile) has NOT jumped in Iraq. Lie #2

Very curious as to the second CIB. You obviously didn't serve in combat operations in Vietnam, nor would even be eligible as an MP in the 1980's Korea. Which leaves only OIF...a single operation...Without multiple operations, only a single CIB could be awarded to you, regardless of how many times you get sent over. Since you claim only one tour (OIF-4), it would be impossible for you to have a second CIB anyway. Lie #3

I put great doubt on your claimed Soldiers Medal, and Purple Heart too, since the rest of your profile is full of lies.

Care to soothe my mind? If you want to deny any of it, I've got your profile saved just in case there is a "fire in St Louis"...or something.

Oopsy....

Hey, at least my supa-lame profile is clean...

Have to agree that a .45 round is better than a 9mm...

I carried a 1911 in Korea. Fell in love with it.

Been on some shootings, and the 9mm does not impress me.

In doing some ballistics research, I have found that there are some 9mm +p's that come close to the .357 Sig ( A 9mm bullet in a necked down .40 cal case - .355 diameter bullet ).

I had a realtive that deer hunted and actually shot deer with a .357 revolver. He placed the bullet in teh vital areas, and I don't recall any one shot stops.

Point being, Size of bullet - size of target. .357 probably had too much velocity and did not have enough time to expand. I would expect the same in the case of the 9mm. I am only aware of "1" one shot stop, a officer involved shooting, and the load was Black Talons. There are some frangible loads on gteh market that have more energy than conventional hollowpoint or ball ammo.

As Greenhat said some years ago here on the boards " Pick the right weapon for the job." I believe it was a favorite rifle discussion, comabt rifle argument. I very much believe he was right.


Firefighter /Paramedic
NC1911 !!!

I didn't get to fire the .45 in my short time in the Army, but I was always intrigued with it, and acquired one of my own after leaving the service. It was made by Norinco, a Chinese company, but was supposedly one of the best 'imitations' available. (Yeah, I know, but I couldn't afford a real Colt!)
Anyway, I later began collecting firearms, and would often take several pistols at a time out to the desert to shoot. (I was living just outside Phoenix at the time..lots of places to shoot...)
One of my favorite targets was to take pieces of wood, (2x4s, pieces of packing crates or loading pallets etc...) sharpen one end and drive them into the ground. I also had several 9mms, ( a Ruger P89(good gun) and a Llama (piece of ****))
The difference in what the .45 rounds did to those targets compared to the 9mm convinced me that if I were ever in combat, or a self-defense situation ( a daily reality in Phx) while it would be advantageous to have the 9mm's higher capacity, I wouldn't want to trust my life on it's stopping power.
My late stepfather was a decorated WWII, Korea and 'Nam vet, and a CSM when he retired.
He didn't talk much about his experiences, but he did mention once or twice the difference between shooting enemies with an old .38 that he carried as a belly-gun/backup and with the .45. His comment? "When you hit 'em with the .45, they go down and STAY down."
I always thought that was " 'nuff said".

I own a 1911A1, and have been issued an M-9 before. I've shot both extensively.

The 1911A1 is a top notch firearm, with a long history of service, it's got knock down power. It does however have a limited capacity, and though it's design has stood the test of time, is now well outdated.

The M-9 is a top notch firearm, it's been proven in battle as well, just not to the extent the 1911A1 has. The problem with the M-9 is the round, the 9mm round leaves a lot to be desired.

There are several excellent high capacity pistols availible now that are chambered for the .45 ACP round. Two that come to mind, the Glock 30 and Springfield Armory XD-45. I have shot both extensively and they are accurate and reliable. My personal favorite is the XD-45.

In my humble opinion, there is no real need for pistols in combat. Accordingly, I don't see a clear justification for a mass replacement of the M-9's with a larger caliber pistol. But when the M-9's service life is near, it would be good to see the .45 ACP come back in a modern high capacity design. Maybe issue them to first line combat units right now, both for evaluation, and better abilities in the current war.

SCOUTS OUT
SGT U.S.ARMY, Infantry Sniper, Iraq Combat Veteran