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I've seen pictures of Israeli M109's in action in Lebanon in 2006 and noted the enormous fireballs (blow-by) they produced when firing. Having worked an M198 long ago, I don't recall ever seeing this much blow-by. My question is, what causes this? My impression is that this is caused by barrel wear, a very dirty barrel, or an improperly rammed round--none of which are a good sign. Insights appreciated.

Secondly, under what circumstances does an M109 dig in its spades? On all soil types or loose soils only? And do M109's ever use wheel chocks in lieu of spades?

Thanks.

Here's a link to a photo of an Israeli M109. Note the giant fireball. Israeli M109 in action
 
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I think the fireball might appear exaggerated by the camera setting. M109's have a power rammer, so the rounds seat pretty well.

I served with two M109 units, and we used the wooden chocks designed to ship the guns on railroad flat cars. Emplacement was quicker than using the spades, and they worked satisfactorily.
 
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The fireball could also be caused by incomplete combustion of the powder.

We always used spades, no matter the soil. But that was before Paladdin, so I don't know what they do today.
 
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I think what he's trying to say is that if you accidentally get the powder wet it will throw what was called a dragon tough. we used to do this and if you got caught you ended up in big trouble. But it did look VERY impressive.

As far as spades we used them all the time when firing.

Bsadlick good to see your still alive old man. Big Grin

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Shhhh. We would NEVER let the powder get wet. Wink

I've been kinda busy - re-enlisted in to the Guard. Gonna go blow some stuff up. Big Grin
 
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Well I Must say again it was only done ACCIDENTALLY and never on peropus. Only a gun bunny could understand this Wink

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Good to see old man, you made it into the Guard. Keep up the good work. Beer
 
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I've also seen where a gun has accidentally punched the tube with cherry juice after a huge hydraulic leak and it has caused a nice fireball too.
 
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Wouldn't the ring on the projo cause blowback if it gets damaged to bad?
 
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