I'm scheduled for Basic and AIT at FT. Sill for MOS 13F. I have some questions:
-Will it basically be the same as OSUT, since I'll be staying at FT. Sill for both?
-Does Ft. Sill have co-ed Basic, or will I only train with other 13 MOS's?
-Are there usually Marines in the AIT classes for 13F?
-How hard is Basic at FT. Sill for Artillery MOS's? I want good hard training, not the watered down Basic Training I have been hearing about.
Thanks for answers
1. I would guess, it will be the same as OSUT, you will have the same drill intructors for both
2. I dunno for 13 Fox, if basic is co-ed, but probably not. You will probably train with all 13 F's
3. There were no marines when I did mine, can't say for present
4. Basic at Sill was rough on us, middle of winter, freezing our asses off, it won't be a cakewalk I can say that.
Thanks for the answer. I'm looking forward to 13F training.
I cannot vouch for how it is now as I attended BCT and AIT at Ft. Sill in 1990. I do know that it was quite a challenge back then but then again the Drill Sergeants had fewer restrictions on how to treat a soldier. That's not to say that they were cruel and inhuman back then but they wouldn't hesitate to put a hard boot to the back of your skull if you held your rifle up too high as you were placing it back in the stand during Weapons Qualification (I was in a foxhole, I had a helmet on, it wasn't a big deal. It still rung my bell though). Judging from the stories I heard my son tell me after attending BCT at Ft. Jackson this last summer, things have changed a bit towards the softer and gentler. Then again, that's not Sill.
The training was stout the entire time I was there. GunBunny32 talked about going through training in the winter and freezing. I went through in the summer and roasted. Ft. Sill is a really bizarre place to train. They have almost any kind of terrain you can imagine there from forests, to deserts to some areas that looked like a jungle. We were up whenever the Drill Sergeant wanted us up (usually between 4:30am and 5:30am), training hard all day long, and were in bed by 11:00pm. If you are listed as BCT and AIT instead of OSUT you will change units after BCT is over with. That was the case for me. I was in A 2/30th FA for BCT and then moved over to C 2/80th FA for my AIT as a 13E.
I believe that OSUT implies that you stay in the same unit for the entirety of your training. That works well for 11 series MOS's but 13 series is a bit different. I went to basic with 13B's, 13E's, and 13F's. All of the 13E's I went to basic with ended up in AIT with me. 13E training is quite a bit different than 13F training obviously. We spend most of our time in the classroom learning all the ins and outs of manual cannon gunnery, internal and external ballistics, how to apply meteorilogical data to artillery fires and a lot of geometry and trigonometry. Of the 54 guys who started 13E training with me, only 9 of us graduated the 12 week course.
To my knowledge, 13F training was pretty intense as well but in a different way. They give you a lot of field time and really try to build in a little swagger for you. I had a lot of 13F friends and it was a good thing for them because they are more in harms way than the gun line is. Regardless, if you graduate you will join a fraternity of brothers that is as old as warfare itself. My first duty station was with the 11th ACR and so we ended up being an island of Redleg's in a sea of tankers. It was actually a pretty cool situation to be in and I miss it dearly from time to time. Good luck in your training!
Thank you for the reply Sir.
I will be at Sill during the summer months, so I'll probably be roasting. My papers say Basic, then AIT separately. Both at FT Sill though. I think they did away with OSUT for FA Soldiers recently. I will probably have a lot of 13 series Soldiers in my Basic class, and then continue with all the 13F's onto AIT like you said you did with 13E. And 9 out of 54? That's insane. That's probably why they don't have the 13E MOS anymore, it was obviously too challenging.
I wanted 11B when I enlisted, and chose 13F because 11B was not available(I enlisted National Guard). So I'm hoping 13F is a little more intense with some extra field time. I think I will enjoy AIT, learning to call for fire should be pretty fun. And I'll end up in either an Infantry or Cavalry unit after AIT which will be cool.
I look forward to becoming a Filed Artillery Soldier.
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You have something against women and Marines?
Nope. I actually thought it would be cool to train with members from other branches. As far as the women, I just want my Basic Training to be hard and more high speed, so I was hoping it wouldn't be co-ed. No offense to the women, but it's no secret that they go easier on them.
looking for anyone that was in 3/22 FA
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