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Suspended GerryRM3 New Member |
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In response to #5- The selection for BUD/S candidates from the officer pool is extremely, extremely competitive. Your recruiter is right, the "easiest" way to go about becoming a SEAL Officer is to go in as enlisted and then apply for the STA-21 program, which is the enlisted to officer program. But, ultimately it's your decision to make.
In response to #6- Please keep OPSEC in mind. The units that you mentioned should not be openly discussed on a public forum of any type. Period. |
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Lead Mod Navy and Recconect America Forums catherine0830@msn.com Democracy will survive until the government figures out it can bribe the people with their own money. Highly Experienced Member |
True kinda sorta. SEAL slots are highly cmpetitive for many reasons, easier to get a shot at BUDS via enlisted. As an Officer, you compete for the chance to go in the first place (sumbit a package and hope that you're better than all the rest). If you don't get selected for BUDS you still owe the Navy time in another designator, possibly without ever getting a chance to get to BUDS. That said, last years STA-21 list only selected 2 SEALS as primary candidates (not alternates) for STA-21. One is selected for SEAL, another for Med Corps. Still highly selective and competitive. If not selected you're still a SEAL, but it's still difficult to get an Officer slot either way. If you expand the list to include all SEAL selectees (including alternates) one was selected as a SEAL, 2 Med Corps, one Core program. |
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Right, that's what I was saying. Or at least what I was trying to say. It would be "easiest" for him to get even the opportunity to be a SEAL by going enlisted. I used the term "easiest" loosely, hence the quotation marks.
I gave such a short and not very detailed answer to begin with because I was so put off by the fact that his post was already posted with no answer and then he reposts it and added #6. I was really irritated by #6. |
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Lead Mod Navy and Recconect America Forums catherine0830@msn.com Democracy will survive until the government figures out it can bribe the people with their own money. Highly Experienced Member |
He was never answered in the other thread for a variety of reasons.
For the rest, I leave it to our resident SEALS/Frogmen to answer. I shut it down for OPSEC if they ask me to, but I also know that if it shouldn't be answered, they wont |
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Suspended GerryRM3 New Member |
well thanks for your advice aarg, including advice concerning OPSEC, it wont happen again. sometimes i forget this is not a regular forum with regular rules. oh btw, the reason i was not answered the other time for asking these questions was not related to the questions themselves- i had violated some forum rules by using a screen name i am not allowed to use. and regarding your advice- just to make this clear to myself, what you are saying is earn my trident first, and than apply for STA-21 program correct? |
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Lead Mod Navy and Recconect America Forums catherine0830@msn.com Democracy will survive until the government figures out it can bribe the people with their own money. Highly Experienced Member |
Up to YOU entirely. No one else but you. Do you primarily want to be an Officer? Do you primarily want to be a SEAL? Are you ok with being enlisted for your whole career (check the stats I showed above. STA-21 is NOT a garuntee)? Are you ok with an enlisted rating if you don't make it through BUDS? On the Officer side (going directly), are you ok with possibly never getting the chance to go to BUDS? Depends entirely on you and what you want. Not us, not your parents, you. |
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Again, another Hopefull looking to find a guaranteed channel to become a SEAL, perhaps an Officer.
To become a SEAL Officer no channel is easy or guaranteed as the number of selections each year is very small. With the enlisted ranks classes start out with approx 120-140 new trainnes and end up with 25-45 graduates. Your language skills are not worth a toot unless you make it through pre-qual, BUDS, then SQT, i.e. Graduate SEAL. Trying to perform normal SEAL duties and attend night classes plus do your share of deployments is very difficult. Being selected from the many Officer Grad programs, i.e. Academy, OCS, NROTC, et. al. is a crap shoot. Pick your number and place your bet. Believe me, there is no one on this Web Site that can promise you the best channel to follow. They can only point out the odds. |
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Suspended GerryRM3 New Member |
I am not looking for a "guaranteed channel" I know full well what becoming a SEAL means, and the challenges that lay ahead for me, I have done my research, and I have talked to those experienced, the questions I pose on this forum are questions which I have not been able to have answered in real life. You honestly don’t know me, so yea to you sb5; I may be a statistic, another young punk trying to make his way. There is nothing I can say to change your opinion, nor do I necessarily care to change your opinion. But there is no reason for you to be so cold about it, than again if that is the attitude you wish to have, I’m not stopping you. I know that I am one of- if not the best student in my school, I also know that I am extremely athletic, I also know that I have more mettle and resolve than most. That is why I want to be a SEAL. I don’t care about being a badass, I don’t even care about the money, or the girls when I go to parties or bars, or the prestige that goes along with the trident- no, those things are all nice perks which I will certainly enjoy, I want to be a SEAL for a few simple reasons, I like the gruel and sweat of pain, and training, and I like the hardship of the SEAL lifestyle, I like the freezing cold, I like being different. Maybe now you have a better idea of me. But now that I know my options, I will certainly pursue graduating SEALs first, and then officer training after I have earned my trident. If you have any information on my other questions, I would be happy to have it. Thank you for your time.
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sigh, another one. While you haven't full blown gone over the edge, you are treading dangerous water. sb5 is a SEAL, and has BTDT. You need to show him and others a modicum of respect. All of us older people on these boards have seen many young people come and run their suck holes telling us, yada,yada,yada. So please excuse us, if we seem a little bored or harsh with our statements to you. sb & others will give you great advice, if you have first done some research on your own, walk and talk humbly on these boards, and remember that 90% of the people here have gone into harms way, and have seen young 'uns come and go. I'll bet there are 3-4 posts every week on teh SEAL/SWCC board alone, on youngsters, wanting to know what happens when they fails BUD/S. Tells all of us, that they don't have teh right mind set. So, not that we won't be rooting for you to succeed, we will, but it is up to you. And really nothing that anyone tells you here can prepare you for training, especially BUD/S. You will either have it or you won't. Good Luck |
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Stud You have not met a SEAL Instructor yet, so I promise you, if you talk to me this way, you will never become a Graduate SEAL. |
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Suspended GerryRM3 New Member |
I’m sorry, I’m not trying to offend anyone, and I thought I was being respectful. And to your statement sb5- with all due respect, I won’t be talking that way in real life because I expect to eat **** in SEAL training, not here on this website. Here I am just looking to have polite and insightful answers to my questions; in return I try to be as polite and respectful as I can be. If I am supposed to behave on this forum as I should in the military, perhaps I should ask my questions elsewhere… once again, thank you everyone for your helpful advice, and words of wisdom, that goes to anyone who has posted thus far on my questions.
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I am not a Mod on this site, nor do I over-extend my privilege. But I do suggest as a method of improving your thinking that you take several weeks off before you post again. Give yourself time to think over the effect of your dialog skills. I help many young men with guides to gaining SEAL info. But the requests have to be respectful whether I have been there or not. That is why many young men who start out in MEPS stay in touch with me via PM and advise me their progress and the numbers of new Class trainees that I am not privileged to. I can tell you how many graduated each Class since 1950, but the fluxuating begining Class numbers are not available as they diminish starting the first day. I have had Drops stay in communication with me because of the respect we both exchange. Yes, Drops are good people, and many go on to respectful Fleet assignments. Then there are the other kinds that I have no truck with that the Strand Instructors eat for breakfast. Take a suggested short vacation, come back with respect, then in BUDS keep your mouth shut and do as the Instructor yells at you to do. That is how we all made it. It is the same sand, the same ocean, the same Instructors. Wise guys just do not cut it. Remember you are attempting to join the SEALs to become a front line combatant, not get a shiny badge to dazzle the girls. Relax, there is always room for a good man. |
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I don't care who you are, that's funny,lol. |
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Suspended GerryRM3 New Member |
hi sb5, i did what you said, but it only took a few days off, for me to realize the asinine and rude nature of my reply, please accept my humble apology. may i ask you a question sb5? as a navy SEAL, why is it that you dont use the SEAL badge on your profile? you know- with the eagle and trident.
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