What would happen? I figure there would be a shift to other devices.

But can you folks give me your opinions on the net effect of cell phones being removed from the list of possible triggers.

Next to none if any because of the other options that can be used, it would be more effective to remove the explosive because for the simple fact that is it harder to get and safely use then a cell phone ever will.

Thank God for Warlock

For the trained insergent, loosing the use of cell phones would be a small obstacle... Walkie talkies, radio's, remote controle toys, any kind of reciever that causes an electrical reation of the right voltage can be used to initiate an electrical trigger... Even a mercury switch just from the ac unit in your house can be rigged to go off on the slightest vibration... Electrical rocket motors, etc... I would go on but this is delicate information... In conclusion it would depend on the level of demolitions education and the availabilty of supplies as to weather loosing cell phones would make any difference at all... SEMPER KILL

All the Jammers in the world wont stop a CWIED or VOIED.

So, there is no way to scramble or block the signal to the bomb? I was thinking that when the troops are on patrol they could have some jamming/blocking signal!

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Originally posted by Bergy46:
So, there is no way to scramble or block the signal to the bomb? I was thinking that when the troops are on patrol they could have some jamming/blocking signal!

No one could really talk about it if they did friend.
And...it has already been circumvented by employing a combination of "triggers". A remotely (cell phone) armed motion sensor hooked to the charge.

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
All the Jammers in the world wont stop a CWIED or VOIED.

Concur, and these types have the greatest accuracy against moving targets.

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Originally posted by 6742077:
What would happen? I figure there would be a shift to other devices.

But can you folks give me your opinions on the net effect of cell phones being removed from the list of possible triggers.

They would
make their own versions!They are evil minded and
won't stop until they are dead...

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Originally posted by Bergy46:
So, there is no way to scramble or block the signal to the bomb? I was thinking that when the troops are on patrol they could have some jamming/blocking signal!

Since they aren't plugged into pc's or any network how do
you intercept? Thats an E.O.D. job for sure!

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Originally posted by Bergy46:
So, there is no way to scramble or block the signal to the bomb? I was thinking that when the troops are on patrol they could have some jamming/blocking signal!

You could take down the entire cell phone system.(just shut it off) Then there are no signals

Shockey

As has been said if cell phones were taken out of the equation there would be negligible difference. so many easily obtainable devices work just as well.

Taking their explosives away wouldn't help a lot as there are so many home brewed explosives around.

The simplest solution, also the best is to do the terrorists a favor and send them on a speedy, one way trip to Allah. Yes I know killing terrorists breeds more terrorists. I guess we need our hands untied so we can go in there and kill them off faster than they can breed. To heck with collateral damage. In war there is always collateral damage. If the insurgents wish to protect the citizenry all they have to do is lay down their arms.

I don't want to fall out of favor with people here but there are a few things that I feel I need to say.

We went into Iraq to topple Saddam Hussane's regime. Forget all the crap about WMDs and nuclear arms. The simple fact is that the man was an insane stone killer and needed killing himself. I don't for one minute regret what we did. It should have been done long ago.

Sadly there are still a lot of people that think we have some sort of hidden agenda. The Iraqis think their god wants them to destroy our troops and us. That's sad indeed but I don't try to change peoples religious beliefs any more than I want anyone to try to change mine.

The way I see it is we're fighting a political war and they are fighting a religious and political war. Like it or not it seems to me that we have the harder battle. Also of course while our troops lay there life on the line because it's a noble cause, they gladly sacrifice their lives for Allah.

I hope no one takes offense at what I've written but after all this place is for discussion isn't it?

Being of the ECM Breed and having served 2 tours in NI during the troubles with 11 EOD Regt RLC, I can only say that any discussion on this topic on a public forum, may aid our enemies, so just be careful what we say.

I say why not "rig" the cell phones they do use with some kind of a GPS or tracking device that (unknown to them) we could use to track them.

I think we need to turn this into a war of intel. We need to "outsmart" them more than we need to out gun or out armor them. A conventional war strategy I think will be difficult at best.

Or, how about even what I call a reverse-engineered IED. It would consist of mainly a detonator that unknown to the insurgent had been altered to cause the opposite effect of its insurgent builder.

The simplest form would be to "hose" a given area with "dummy" detonators.

A more complex detonator would cause the explosives to detonate prematurely (i.e., at a most inopportune time from an insurgent's perpective).

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Originally posted by redcoat72:
Being of the ECM Breed and having served 2 tours in NI during the troubles with 11 EOD Regt RLC, I can only say that any discussion on this topic on a public forum, may aid our enemies, so just be careful what we say.

NO ****!!! OPSEC people. You don't know who is reading this.