no different than any of the other politians!

Hypocritical politicians. They will go in whatever the direction the wind is blowing. I think Von Clausewitz said it best. "War is an extension of politics by other means."

I'd like to also humbly ask you guys to look at www.regimeofterror.com and look at the reams of evidence of Saddam's guys working with al Qaeda post invasion and ask if it's really logical that they had nothing to do with each other until U.S. troops arrived.

120f12~


Thanks for posting that!

If you guys like videos here are some more on Saddam Hussein via the MSM on his terror ties and atrocities. They are in the bottom in "Favorites"

http://youtube.com/profile?user=ikez78

How quick the MSM forgets.

does it really matter at this point...??? yes there were things that were not correct. I think the intel sucked, but that happens! we are fighting them there not here. That has my vote.

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Originally posted by Schistosome:
we are fighting them there not here. That has my vote.

thats because they cant fight here. all they can use is terrorism because they have no set miliary and even if they did, and dared to enter US waters, they could be blown into pieces within minutes

i cannot believe that we are untouchable! to think so is crazy. we cannot see the enemy, it is an idea, a theology that is destined to be against us. we are engaged in a battle that has an enemy that will work around all our defenses. Women and children will be part of the enemy we try to battle. There are no rules, no uniforms, and no rules of engagment. That is what we are up against and we are NOT prepared yet to deal with it... Keeping them busy for the moment in a different place keeps us safe but only for a moment.

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Originally posted by Schistosome:
i cannot believe that we are untouchable! to think so is crazy. we cannot see the enemy, it is an idea, a theology that is destined to be against us. we are engaged in a battle that has an enemy that will work around all our defenses. Women and children will be part of the enemy we try to battle. There are no rules, no uniforms, and no rules of engagment. That is what we are up against and we are NOT prepared yet to deal with it... Keeping them busy for the moment in a different place keeps us safe but only for a moment.

And that is exactly argument for why "we are fighting them there so we dont have to fight them here" is a stupid thing to believe. What is it about us attacking there, a country that had nothing to do with these people who attacked us here, that is going to keep them from attacking here again? We have already seem them attack in Europe, Africa, Asia and other parts of the Middle East. That is certainly outside of the little box of Iraq that is suppose to contain them. The only reason they haven't attacked us here again is that we are more isolated. It takes longer, more careful planning to attack us here. It was 10 years between their first successful attack and their second. And there has already been a terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11 only we have no idea who carried it out. Let's not forget that the anthrax attack is still unsolved.

And that is exactly argument for why "we are fighting them there so we dont have to fight them here" is a stupid thing to believe. What is it about us attacking there, a country that had nothing to do with these people who attacked us here, that is going to keep them from attacking here again? We have already seem them attack in Europe, Africa, Asia and other parts of the Middle East. That is certainly outside of the little box of Iraq that is suppose to contain them. The only reason they haven't attacked us here again is that we are more isolated. It takes longer, more careful planning to attack us here. It was 10 years between their first successful attack and their second. And there has already been a terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11 only we have no idea who carried it out. Let's not forget that the anthrax attack is still unsolved.

but there was and is a sucess to get Sadamm out of here. hitler he was, dead he is. the both of them... I agree we need to fight, I am so happy we are safe and happy here. I have been there, and the life syles we have here make us kings in comparisons to their citizens in Iraq. my castle is safe because we are taking the fight to them. I do not know how long we can sustain this and we might need to rethink this now. Our enemy is constantly changing!!! we need to also

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Originally posted by Schistosome:

but there was and is a sucess to get Sadamm out of here. hitler he was, dead he is. the both of them... I agree we need to fight, I am so happy we are safe and happy here. I have been there, and the life syles we have here make us kings in comparisons to their citizens in Iraq. my castle is safe because we are taking the fight to them. I do not know how long we can sustain this and we might need to rethink this now. Our enemy is constantly changing!!! we need to also

Getting Saddam was a minor success in the greater scheme of things. The resulting damage from invading and occupying Iraq greatly outweigh any minor benefit we had in capturing Saddam. And meanwhile, the real culprits behind the attacks on 9/11 are still free and resurgent because of our distraction. Your castle was never in danger from this enemy. Unless, of course, you live in a high rise in Manhattan or some other similarly large city. Al Qaeda are not going to have the impact they wont by attacking a few homes here and there. That is not an effective use of suicide bombers. They want and need dramatic, high yield targets. Fighting them there, when there was never any them there in the first place, has made it more likely we will be attacked here. Not your house or mine, but our largest, proudest structures. Unless something changes, they will attack us here while all our military are over there.

GUNorder, i disagree, how long did germany and japan take to restore. A country hit by our wars takes some time, it will not be Nevada Las Wages yet, give it some time.. Yes some will die and some will live, some will blow each other up some won't, but as we remember even our own country took YEARS to build. Lets give them the food and seeds to sow a new nation. O that was a bit of a nice ending right?

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Originally posted by Schistosome:
GUNorder, i disagree, how long did germany and japan take to restore. A country hit by our wars takes some time, it will not be Nevada Las Wages yet, give it some time.. Yes some will die and some will live, some will blow each other up some won't, but as we remember even our own country took YEARS to build. Lets give them the food and seeds to sow a new nation. O that was a bit of a nice ending right?

WWII was a war with an end. The parties doing the fighting stopped fighting when governments surrendered so reconstruction could begin. They still had governments when they surrendered and and infrastructure on which to build on. Neither country had feuding parties going at it in a multi level civil war. WWII was a conflict we should have gotten involved with because aggressive forces were taking over countries. This is a totally different situation where we shouldn't have invaded in the first place and have done irreparable harm at our attempts at reconstruction. When you have people making mistakes at every turn, you can't trust them to finish the job. And it's the leaders I'm referring to, not the troops.

Hiro Onada...

Forest Brothers....

Werewolves....

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Originally posted by gnuorder:

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Originally posted by Schistosome:
GUNorder, i disagree, how long did germany and japan take to restore. A country hit by our wars takes some time, it will not be Nevada Las Wages yet, give it some time.. Yes some will die and some will live, some will blow each other up some won't, but as we remember even our own country took YEARS to build. Lets give them the food and seeds to sow a new nation. O that was a bit of a nice ending right?

WWII was a war with an end. The parties doing the fighting stopped fighting when governments surrendered so reconstruction could begin. They still had governments when they surrendered and and infrastructure on which to build on. Neither country had feuding parties going at it in a multi level civil war. WWII was a conflict we should have gotten involved with because aggressive forces were taking over countries. This is a totally different situation where we shouldn't have invaded in the first place and have done irreparable harm at our attempts at reconstruction. When you have people making mistakes at every turn, you can't trust them to finish the job. And it's the leaders I'm referring to, not the troops.

you been to iraq? what harm are you referring to? the fact that we stopped the mass murdering of iraqis? the fact that saddam was paying terrorists? the fact that a.q. was being treated in iraq for wounds. the fact that al sunnah was already there. you dont know what you are talking about. read the insight magazine article from apr. 04!! reconstruction is going pretty well despite the violence. you must get your info from the msm because you really dont know what you are talking about. iraq was not a country of oppulence. most of the people there were starving even before we "liberated" them. i know you think you know what happened in japan and germany after ww2 but you dont. what year did we sign a formal peace with japan? or germany..hint ...it was not in the forties.
it took seven years after the war ended. there is no civil war in iraq!! stop the democrap takling point b.s. and get educated not indoctrinated.

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Originally posted by gnuorder:

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Originally posted by Schistosome:
GUNorder, i disagree, how long did germany and japan take to restore. A country hit by our wars takes some time, it will not be Nevada Las Wages yet, give it some time.. Yes some will die and some will live, some will blow each other up some won't, but as we remember even our own country took YEARS to build. Lets give them the food and seeds to sow a new nation. O that was a bit of a nice ending right?

WWII was a war with an end. The parties doing the fighting stopped fighting when governments surrendered so reconstruction could begin. They still had governments when they surrendered and and infrastructure on which to build on. Neither country had feuding parties going at it in a multi level civil war. WWII was a conflict we should have gotten involved with because aggressive forces were taking over countries. This is a totally different situation where we shouldn't have invaded in the first place and have done irreparable harm at our attempts at reconstruction. When you have people making mistakes at every turn, you can't trust them to finish the job. And it's the leaders I'm referring to, not the troops.

you been to iraq? what harm are you referring to? the fact that we stopped the mass murdering of iraqis? the fact that saddam was paying terrorists? the fact that a.q. was being treated in iraq for wounds. the fact that al sunnah was already there. you dont know what you are talking about. read the insight magazine article from apr. 04!! reconstruction is going pretty well despite the violence. you must get your info from the msm because you really dont know what you are talking about. iraq was not a country of oppulence. most of the people there were starving even before we "liberated" them. i know you think you know what happened in japan and germany after ww2 but you dont. what year did we sign a formal peace with japan? or germany..hint ...it was not in the forties.
it took seven years after the war ended. there is no civil war in iraq!! stop the democrap takling point b.s. and get educated not indoctrinated.

12of12, you come across someone that needs to "get educated" more so than gnuorder. He responds logically and with argument, as opposed to your emotion filled immature response. You may now return to your regularly scheduled corporate "news."


Of course Bush lied, almost all if not all of politicians now and in the past that have been elected here are liars and phonies, that don't care about you. If the US, the government, was truly serious about stopping terrorism, if that truly was their goal then why aren't they actually going after countries that support terrorism? And what does a "war on terror" mean? War is terrorism. It makes no sense. It's just propaganda.

Which countries are you talking about and how would you expect us to deal with them?

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Originally posted by bushcraft8:
12of12, you come across someone that needs to "get educated" more so than gnuorder. He responds logically and with argument, as opposed to your emotion filled immature response. You may now return to your regularly scheduled corporate "news."


Of course Bush lied, almost all if not all of politicians now and in the past that have been elected here are liars and phonies, that don't care about you. If the US, the government, was truly serious about stopping terrorism, if that truly was their goal then why aren't they actually going after countries that support terrorism? And what does a "war on terror" mean? War is terrorism. It makes no sense. It's just propaganda.

That means so much coming from a guy with a handle and profile like yours JJ.

I respect 12or12's post much more, and give it far more credence, than your left leaning opine.

Of course Bushit lied and it worked!

First, people need to understand that the Bin Ladens and Bushes were business partners and friends for over a quarter of a century.

Funny how Bushit has an easier time catching their good friend Saddam and not Osama. All of them are in this 9/11 attack. Yes, including Osama. After the 9/11 attack Bushit got the nations attention which at first u.s citizens were lacking involvement in government affairs. Even voting. 150 million did not vote.

The political clowns thought that it was better to not let people know about their evil tactics regarding 3rd world countries. Well, they were half right. But now 9/11 suddenly comes and all hell breaks loose. Now everyones getting involved and wanting to blame anyone yet not knowing a dang thing about whos-on-first or whats-on-second. Of course, that is except for those who has the power to manipulate and propagan the people using the network communication corps, eg, news, etc.

For everyones info the US sold and fed all the poison gases to Iraq. What did you think they were going to do with them? Spray hashish.

Knowledge, weapons, etc were sold for O I L.

Today it's called Operation Iraqi Liberation. LOL

What is the problem is how can a coward like Bushit who refused to go to Vietnam War given all the powers to do almost anything he pleases. What happened to the people?

If this is the case that we leave it all up to those we vote into office, then might as well don't vote.

Bring the people home from Iraq ASAP!