quote:

Originally posted by 8843213:
How likely is that that enlisted soldiers can make it through MECEP or into the Academy if they had a really good high school record and >1200 on the SAT? Assuming that they are do they try to be the best soldier they can be as well.

Soldiers huh? Number one, soldiers aren't eligible for MECEP and number two, if you want to ask about soldiers, go to the Army forum!

OT: That reminds me of the movie Doom, when The Rock started telling that woman how many soldiers he lost when he hadn't lost any, because they were Marines. And also how he referred to himself as the CO, when he was a sergeant.

quote:

Originally posted by SgtLtUSMC:

quote:

Originally posted by Stormier:
Then MECEP and the Naval Academy are the only two things that will give regular commissions?

Nope. Everyone gets a reserve commission as of now. That has been in place for about eight or nine years.

Reserve commissions no longer exist.

Date signed: 07/15/2005 MARADMIN Number: 316/05
R 151400Z JUL 05
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC(UC)
UNCLASSIFIED//
MARADMIN 316/05
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC MRA MP//
SUBJ/ANNOUNCING THE TRANSITION OF THE MARINE CORPS OFFICER
/ACTIVE DUTY LIST TO AN ALL-REGULAR FORCE//
POC/C. KILHENNY/MAJ/-/-/TEL: DSN 278-9365/TEL:COM 703-784-9365//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/-//
RMKS/1. THE RONALD W. REAGAN NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT
FOR FY-05 (NDAA-05) PROVIDES SEVERAL CHANGES TO LAWS THAT GOVERN
THE INITIAL APPOINTMENT AND STATUS OF THE MARINE CORPS ACTIVE DUTY
LIST. ONE OF THESE CHANGES DIRECTS THAT AS OF 01 MAY 2005, ALL
INITIAL ACCESSIONS TO THE ACTIVE DUTY LIST BE COMMISSIONED AS
REGULAR OFFICERS REGARDLESS OF METHOD OR SOURCE OF COMMISSIONING.
2. NDAA-05 ALSO DIRECTS ALL RESERVE OFFICERS CURRENTLY ON THE
ACTIVE DUTY LIST WHO MEET STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO BE TRANSITIONED
TO REGULAR STATUS BY 01 MAY 2006. UNDER THIS PROVISION, THE
OFFICERS' RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS UNDER THEIR ORIGINAL CONTRACT
REMAIN UNCHANGED. THE OATH OF OFFICE REMAINS IN EFFECT AND DOES
NOT NEED TO BE READMINISTERED NOR DOES A NAVMC 763 NEED TO BE
SIGNED. THE APPOINTMENT CANNOT BE DECLINED. NO ACTION IS REQUIRED
ON THE PART OF THE AFFECTED OFFICER POPULATION.
3. THE TRANSITION TO AN ALL-REGULAR FORCE FACILITATES THE CONDUCT
OF A COMPETITIVE CAREER DESIGNATION BOARD IN LIEU OF AUGMENTATION
BOARDS. THE AUGMENTATION BOARD SERVED AS A FORCE-SHAPING TOOL FOR
MANPOWER PLANNERS TO MAINTAIN AND REGULATE OFFICER END STRENGTH.
WITH AN ALL-REGULAR OFFICER FORCE, REGULAR OFFICERS CAN BE SEPARATED
THROUGH THEIR FIFTH YEAR OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE OR END OF OBLIGATED
SERVICE, WHICHEVER IS LONGER. THE MARINE CORPS WILL CONDUCT THE
CAREER DESIGNATION BOARD IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE AUGMENTATION
BOARD.
4. AS FURTHER CHANGES TO OFFICER PERSONNEL POLICY ARE IMPLEMENTED
TO COMPLY WITH THIS STATUTE, INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO
INFORM, ADDRESS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, AND EASE TRANSITION FOR
AFFECTED OFFICERS.
5. AMPLIFYING GUIDANCE FOR THIS CHANGE IN LAW WILL BE PROVIDED IN
A FUTURE MARADMIN.
6. POC AT MPP IS MAJ C. M. KILHENNY (MPP-30) AT DSN 278-9365 OR
EMAIL AT CRAIG.KILHENNY@USMC.MIL. POC AT MM IS CAPT L. B. BUTLER
(MMOA-3) AT DSN 278-9284 OR EMAIL AT BUTLERLB@MANPOWER.USMC.MIL.//

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Lab0302,

quote:

Originally posted by Lab0302:

quote:

Originally posted by SgtLtUSMC:

quote:

Originally posted by Stormier:
Then MECEP and the Naval Academy are the only two things that will give regular commissions?

Nope. Everyone gets a reserve commission as of now. That has been in place for about eight or nine years.

Reserve commissions no longer exist.

Date signed: 07/15/2005 MARADMIN Number: 316/05
R 151400Z JUL 05
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC(UC)
UNCLASSIFIED//
MARADMIN 316/05
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC MRA MP//
SUBJ/ANNOUNCING THE TRANSITION OF THE MARINE CORPS OFFICER
/ACTIVE DUTY LIST TO AN ALL-REGULAR FORCE//
POC/C. KILHENNY/MAJ/-/-/TEL: DSN 278-9365/TEL:COM 703-784-9365//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/-//
RMKS/1. THE RONALD W. REAGAN NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT
FOR FY-05 (NDAA-05) PROVIDES SEVERAL CHANGES TO LAWS THAT GOVERN
THE INITIAL APPOINTMENT AND STATUS OF THE MARINE CORPS ACTIVE DUTY
LIST. ONE OF THESE CHANGES DIRECTS THAT AS OF 01 MAY 2005, ALL
INITIAL ACCESSIONS TO THE ACTIVE DUTY LIST BE COMMISSIONED AS
REGULAR OFFICERS REGARDLESS OF METHOD OR SOURCE OF COMMISSIONING.
2. NDAA-05 ALSO DIRECTS ALL RESERVE OFFICERS CURRENTLY ON THE
ACTIVE DUTY LIST WHO MEET STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO BE TRANSITIONED
TO REGULAR STATUS BY 01 MAY 2006. UNDER THIS PROVISION, THE
OFFICERS' RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS UNDER THEIR ORIGINAL CONTRACT
REMAIN UNCHANGED. THE OATH OF OFFICE REMAINS IN EFFECT AND DOES
NOT NEED TO BE READMINISTERED NOR DOES A NAVMC 763 NEED TO BE
SIGNED. THE APPOINTMENT CANNOT BE DECLINED. NO ACTION IS REQUIRED
ON THE PART OF THE AFFECTED OFFICER POPULATION.
3. THE TRANSITION TO AN ALL-REGULAR FORCE FACILITATES THE CONDUCT
OF A COMPETITIVE CAREER DESIGNATION BOARD IN LIEU OF AUGMENTATION
BOARDS. THE AUGMENTATION BOARD SERVED AS A FORCE-SHAPING TOOL FOR
MANPOWER PLANNERS TO MAINTAIN AND REGULATE OFFICER END STRENGTH.
WITH AN ALL-REGULAR OFFICER FORCE, REGULAR OFFICERS CAN BE SEPARATED
THROUGH THEIR FIFTH YEAR OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE OR END OF OBLIGATED
SERVICE, WHICHEVER IS LONGER. THE MARINE CORPS WILL CONDUCT THE
CAREER DESIGNATION BOARD IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE AUGMENTATION
BOARD.
4. AS FURTHER CHANGES TO OFFICER PERSONNEL POLICY ARE IMPLEMENTED
TO COMPLY WITH THIS STATUTE, INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO
INFORM, ADDRESS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, AND EASE TRANSITION FOR
AFFECTED OFFICERS.
5. AMPLIFYING GUIDANCE FOR THIS CHANGE IN LAW WILL BE PROVIDED IN
A FUTURE MARADMIN.
6. POC AT MPP IS MAJ C. M. KILHENNY (MPP-30) AT DSN 278-9365 OR
EMAIL AT CRAIG.KILHENNY@USMC.MIL. POC AT MM IS CAPT L. B. BUTLER
(MMOA-3) AT DSN 278-9284 OR EMAIL AT BUTLERLB@MANPOWER.USMC.MIL.//

That's good news! It must be a sign of the times. Ten years ago we had the drawdown. I remember reading in the Navy Times that it was hard to augment and everyone was going to receive a Reserve commission.

Thanks for the update Captain. I guess this will go on until further notice? Or will the Career Designantion board handle all officer retention on AD regardless?

This message has been edited. Last edited by: SgtLtUSMC,

Hello,

My question pertains to this line:

quote:

Age: At least 20 but less than 26 years old by 1 July of the year applying. Waivers will be considered. (Intent is to commission the applicant by age 30.)

I'm 27 - a yr to old by this standard (as well as however long it takes for me to hit the rank required) but I have 2 1/2 yrs of college under my belt (1 1/2 from being done)... how would this affect me if I wanted to take this route?

For me - officer would be nice, but I'm happy at present just serving enlisted if unqualified cuz if my age.

quote:

Originally posted by jasonleavy:
Hello,

My question pertains to this line:

quote:

Age: At least 20 but less than 26 years old by 1 July of the year applying. Waivers will be considered. (Intent is to commission the applicant by age 30.)

I'm 27 - a yr to old by this standard (as well as however long it takes for me to hit the rank required) but I have 2 1/2 yrs of college under my belt (1 1/2 from being done)... how would this affect me if I wanted to take this route?

For me - officer would be nice, but I'm happy at present just serving enlisted if unqualified cuz if my age.

quote:

Jason T Leavy

Service: Army

Status: Active Duty

I just read your profile, so what does the Army have to say about this? Unless things have changed since I left the Corps, I know you can't join MECEP from another branch of the Military.

I'm sure the Army has their equivalent of MECEP and if they're like they were last year, they are in NEED OF OFFICERS.

If you want to get commissioned in the Army, you have a good chance. If you want to get commissioned in the Marine Corps, since you're AD in the Army and don't have your bachelor's degree, your chances are slim to none.

quote:

Originally posted by SgtLtUSMC:

quote:

Originally posted by Stormier:
Then MECEP and the Naval Academy are the only two things that will give regular commissions?

Nope. Everyone gets a reserve commission as of now. That has been in place for about eight or nine years.

SgtLtUSMC,

It just changed again. We, officers on AD, all hold regular commission now. In the fifth year, instead of Augmentation Board, we now face Career Designation Board. Here's the Marine Admin message below, Semper Fi, Pham.

MARADMIN 316/05

««-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------»»


Date signed: 07/15/2005 MARADMIN Number: 316/05
Subject: ANNOUNCING THE TRANSITION OF THE MARINE CORPS OFFICER ACTIVE DUTY LIST TO AN ALL-REGULAR FORCE


R 151400Z JUL 05
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC(UC)
UNCLASSIFIED//
MARADMIN 316/05
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC MRA MP//
SUBJ/ANNOUNCING THE TRANSITION OF THE MARINE CORPS OFFICER
/ACTIVE DUTY LIST TO AN ALL-REGULAR FORCE//
POC/C. KILHENNY/MAJ/-/-/TELSN 278-9365/TEL:COM 703-784-9365//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/-//
RMKS/1. THE RONALD W. REAGAN NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT
FOR FY-05 (NDAA-05) PROVIDES SEVERAL CHANGES TO LAWS THAT GOVERN
THE INITIAL APPOINTMENT AND STATUS OF THE MARINE CORPS ACTIVE DUTY
LIST. ONE OF THESE CHANGES DIRECTS THAT AS OF 01 MAY 2005, ALL
INITIAL ACCESSIONS TO THE ACTIVE DUTY LIST BE COMMISSIONED AS
REGULAR OFFICERS REGARDLESS OF METHOD OR SOURCE OF COMMISSIONING.
2. NDAA-05 ALSO DIRECTS ALL RESERVE OFFICERS CURRENTLY ON THE
ACTIVE DUTY LIST WHO MEET STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO BE TRANSITIONED
TO REGULAR STATUS BY 01 MAY 2006. UNDER THIS PROVISION, THE
OFFICERS' RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS UNDER THEIR ORIGINAL CONTRACT
REMAIN UNCHANGED. THE OATH OF OFFICE REMAINS IN EFFECT AND DOES
NOT NEED TO BE READMINISTERED NOR DOES A NAVMC 763 NEED TO BE
SIGNED. THE APPOINTMENT CANNOT BE DECLINED. NO ACTION IS REQUIRED
ON THE PART OF THE AFFECTED OFFICER POPULATION.
3. THE TRANSITION TO AN ALL-REGULAR FORCE FACILITATES THE CONDUCT
OF A COMPETITIVE CAREER DESIGNATION BOARD IN LIEU OF AUGMENTATION
BOARDS. THE AUGMENTATION BOARD SERVED AS A FORCE-SHAPING TOOL FOR
MANPOWER PLANNERS TO MAINTAIN AND REGULATE OFFICER END STRENGTH.
WITH AN ALL-REGULAR OFFICER FORCE, REGULAR OFFICERS CAN BE SEPARATED
THROUGH THEIR FIFTH YEAR OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE OR END OF OBLIGATED
SERVICE, WHICHEVER IS LONGER. THE MARINE CORPS WILL CONDUCT THE
CAREER DESIGNATION BOARD IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE AUGMENTATION
BOARD.
4. AS FURTHER CHANGES TO OFFICER PERSONNEL POLICY ARE IMPLEMENTED
TO COMPLY WITH THIS STATUTE, INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO
INFORM, ADDRESS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, AND EASE TRANSITION FOR
AFFECTED OFFICERS.
5. AMPLIFYING GUIDANCE FOR THIS CHANGE IN LAW WILL BE PROVIDED IN
A FUTURE MARADMIN.
6. POC AT MPP IS MAJ C. M. KILHENNY (MPP-30) AT DSN 278-9365 OR
EMAIL AT CRAIG.KILHENNY@USMC.MIL. POC AT MM IS CAPT L. B. BUTLER
(MMOA-3) AT DSN 278-9284 OR EMAIL AT BUTLERLB@MANPOWER.USMC.MIL.//

quote:

Originally posted by SgtLtUSMC:

quote:

Originally posted by jasonleavy:
Hello,

My question pertains to this line:

quote:

Age: At least 20 but less than 26 years old by 1 July of the year applying. Waivers will be considered. (Intent is to commission the applicant by age 30.)

I'm 27 - a yr to old by this standard (as well as however long it takes for me to hit the rank required) but I have 2 1/2 yrs of college under my belt (1 1/2 from being done)... how would this affect me if I wanted to take this route?

For me - officer would be nice, but I'm happy at present just serving enlisted if unqualified cuz if my age.

quote:

Jason T Leavy

Service: Army

Status: Active Duty

I just read your profile, so what does the Army have to say about this? Unless things have changed since I left the Corps, I know you can't join MECEP from another branch of the Military.

I'm sure the Army has their equivalent of MECEP and if they're like they were last year, they are in NEED OF OFFICERS.

If you want to get commissioned in the Army, you have a good chance. If you want to get commissioned in the Marine Corps, since you're AD in the Army and don't have your bachelor's degree, your chances are slim to none.

No - I'm not in the Army. When I first found this site I was in the process of enlisting for active duty in the Army. There was no option for showing that I was going in - so I chose no rank if you noticed. Then I ended up speaking with a Marine recruiter and going that route (going to MEPS the first week of January).

I'd change the profile but can't remember my password.

As for bachelor's - I'm a yr in a half from achieving one in Poli-Sci (a yr when I enter boot in May after Spring semester).

quote:

Originally posted by jasonleavy:
No - I'm not in the Army. When I first found this site I was in the process of enlisting for active duty in the Army. There was no option for showing that I was going in - so I chose no rank if you noticed. Then I ended up speaking with a Marine recruiter and going that route (going to MEPS the first week of January).

I'd change the profile but can't remember my password.

As for bachelor's - I'm a yr in a half from achieving one in Poli-Sci (a yr when I enter boot in May after Spring semester).

Rank or no rank, your profile says AD so I went off of that!

Anyways, MECEP is out of the question for you then. If you were a little younger then it would be an option. But now it's not because besides age, I think you also have to meet time-in-service requirements.

If you can complete your degree before you turn thirty, then you might be able to qualify for the Enlisted Commissioning Program. Or if you really show some leadership promise, the Meritorious Commissioning Program might be there for you too. For the latter, a degree is not required high leadership aptitude and military skills are. Having college under your belt will help.

The thing about MCP is if you commission through this route, you have to complete your degree by such and such time to keep your commission (but hey, if you have 1.5 years left. . .).

At this point in time, if you're really serious about getting commissioned, YOU HAVE LITTLE TIME LEFT, so get the ball rolling on your enlistment.

You might be able to get a waiver if you're already past 30 (because of enlistment), but waivers in any form seem like a hassel. So if you want this bad enough, you'll work hard for it (and in your case DAMN HARD).

Good luck to you!

This message has been edited. Last edited by: SgtLtUSMC,

quote:

Originally posted by SgtLtUSMC:
At this point in time, if you're really serious about getting commissioned, YOU HAVE LITTLE TIME LEFT, so get the ball rolling on your enlistment.

Ya - that's the plan. Trying to get the recruiter to move as quickly as possible so I can get going.

quote:

Originally posted by SgtLtUSMC:

quote:

Originally posted by Timarine:
I enlisted May 31st of this year, and leave May 30th of '06. I was planning on doing the MECEP program, but I am definately not top 50% of my graduating class. Does that mean I am SOL?

First of all, become a Marine first, see if you like the Corps, then apply for MECEP. All the guys I've known that said, "I'm going to enlist and go for MECEP," NEVER did. They either ended up not liking the Corps and its responsibilities, or they never enlisted. (I'm not saying you'll be like that, but it is important to like your job and like being a Marine FIRST.)

Secondly, there's BOOST (Broadened Opportunity for Officer Selection and Training) you can look into. If you get picked for this, you go to a ten month course that will prep you for college. Upon successful completion of BOOST, you get picked up by either the Naval Academy, NROTC or MECEP.

But again, since you're enlisting first, you need to concentrate on that before you go for any commissioning programs. And when you're already a Marine, you really need to really shine at your MOS and your duties if you hope to get picked up for any of these programs.

Hey SgtLtUSMC, does this mean that if you get an officer commission from an enlisted-to-officer program, you have to remain in the same field as you were while you were enlisted? (If you were signals intelligence as enlisted, must you be signals intelligence as an officer?)

The reason I ask is because I was considering applying for MESEP, NROTC, or the Naval Academy sometime in the future, but if possible I might like to switch gears from signals intelligence to aviation.

Right now I'm a 19-year-old PFC - graduated boot camp 4 weeks ago.

Thanks for any help.

quote:

Originally posted by NugentUSMC:
Hey SgtLtUSMC, does this mean that if you get an officer commission from an enlisted-to-officer program, you have to remain in the same field as you were while you were enlisted? (If you were signals intelligence as enlisted, must you be signals intelligence as an officer?)

Prior MOS is IMMATERIAL when you get commissioned. You compete for your MOS at The Basic School (TBS).

quote:

The reason I ask is because I was considering applying for MESEP, NROTC, or the Naval Academy sometime in the future, but if possible I might like to switch gears from signals intelligence to aviation.

You can! If you want to opt for aviation, just pass the ASTB (Aviation Selections Test Battery) and a flight physical by the deadline of your commissioning program.

quote:

Right now I'm a 19-year-old PFC - graduated boot camp 4 weeks ago.

Remember, be a hard charger and always take the initiative so your NCOs and officers can give good recommendations for you. Do an above average job wherever you go.

which one of these options will be the best one for me when i graduate out of highschool and enlist on active duty?

quote:

Originally posted by 10791608:
which one of these options will be the best one for me when i graduate out of highschool and enlist on active duty?

One that will make you ask questions!

Take it one step at a time. If enlisting is your plans now, then prepare for that.

I am a wannabe but this post looked relevant to my situation. I am 32, college grad and am interested in the Marine Reserves. The recruiter said that due to my age I would have to go to boot camp and then do OCS afterward to get to officer status. However, he also said you choose your MOS before boot camp. Does this mean that my enlisted MOS would carry through to my officer career, assuming I passed OCS? Has anyone gone this route? How soon after boot camp would I have a shot at OCS?

Moonraker,

If your goal is to become an Officer of Marines, then you really need to talk to an OSO (Officer Selection Officer), and not an enlisted recruiter.

I am assuming that you have no prior military experience, correct? I think that your age may be a factor that keeps you from becoming an officer, but you should verify this with an OSO. Good luck.

It's no completely unheard of for an OSO to get someone of your age an "age waiver", I happen to know someone personally who went to OCS at age 31. Though realize that you would be limited to a ground, (and possibly law) contract due to the amount of time an air contract obligates you for. Air contracts have a "must be commissioned by" clause in reference to the age of the applicant,of which I believe is in the late 20's. Enlisting, though certainly respectable, would just complicate your goal of becoming an officer.

"Kill Commies, and reproduce!"

anyone know if MECEP is open only to Marines ? or are greenside Corpsmen who want to become Marine officers can apply too?

quote:

Originally posted by Reyes_USN:
anyone know if MECEP is open only to Marines ? or are greenside Corpsmen who want to become Marine officers can apply too?

AD or AR Marines only. You can be a Marine officer via other commissioning sources.

quote:

Though realize that you would be limited to a ground, (and possibly law) contract due to the amount of time an air contract obligates you for. Air contracts have a "must be commissioned by" clause in reference to the age of the applicant,of which I believe is in the late 20's.

Normally true, but remember just about EVERYTHING is waiverable. I was in my 30's when I went to OCS and finished flight school just before my 34th birthday. While not common, it does happen. I had a lot of prior enlisted time so that probably had a lot to do with it. The only point is if you are a good Marine and you want something, go for it. The worst that can happen is they tell you no.

Ken