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Originally posted by MudRollin03:
Hell one time I remember I had a section of MRE case sleeve to sleep on. It at that time was better than a kingsize bed. Something warm and dry and well not having slept for about 72 hours.

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That would make for a sweet spot to sleep but anytime I got my hands on an MRE sleeve, I sure as hell wasn't going to sleep on it! I would rather use them over the cat trench. Nothing like having a good MRE sleeve seat when squatted over the hole. A good seat and a roll of TP that you snagged out of the barracks. Ahhh, life was good!

As far as sleeping went, I could sleep on a bed of nails as long as I had something soft to put my head on. A rolled up flak jacket or field jacket was real nice. A pile of sand wasn't too bad and as a last resort, a rock with a couple of skivie shirts on it would work. Man, those were the good old days. I still can't figure out why I'm not a grunt anymore.

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Nothing like having a good MRE sleeve seat when squatted over the hole.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MudRollin03:
Any idiot can elist for infantry but not everyone can be one. So listen up. And those women who want to be infantry you listen as well because this is a small sample of what we do.


What is this about women being in Infantry. women can NOT be in combat.

Dude the circumstances for the MRE sleeve I slept on we didn;t have a cat hole dug, and it was only about half to a third of the sleeve. Just enough to keep most of my torso off the cold wet sand.

As for someplace to rest my head. AMEN! The two favorite field pillows I had okay 3, were:

SAW when I was a SAW gunner, made a nice back and headrest and no one took my weapon without me waking up!

*** pack if we took them off and of course the gasmask which that was the main use we had for it.


CQB : Ammo crate, damn that would have been like having a mansion in Bevelry Hills, you must have lived LARGE!

American AKA BOOT WANNA BE; I have been there and done that. I know what I am talking about and have a hell of a lot of metal and bone grafts to prove it do you?

I like your selective quote kid. I have been eleoquent in the past when I made my reply under my old name JessWill back in like 2002. It is alot more sugar coated than I am willing to post not.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MudRollin03:
Any idiot can elist for infantry but not everyone can be one. So listen up. And those women who want to be infantry you listen as well because this is a small sample of what we do.


What is this about women being in Infantry. women can NOT be in combat.

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First think before you type. Women can be in combat. Anyone can be in combat. They are in combat right now as we speak. They are currently banned from being in combat arms which INFANTRY is the major part.

Check out some of the posts on the distances and loads required. And what is required to do while traveling such distances under such loads. Can you do it? Cause it is not like G.I. Jane or anything else hollyweird puts out. They seldom express how tough it is. This is a post about being in the infantry not about women in combat. Do not attempt to hijack the thread. If you want start another topic of women in INFANTRY and I will gladly reply in detail and I will do so without emotional BS but cold hard truth!

Semper Fi Bros!

Jess

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women can NOT be in combat.

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Women do not serve in the U.S. Marine Corps infantry. That does not mean that a woman cannot be caught in a combat situation. There are many women in support roles, who are risking their lives just the same.

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women can NOT be in combat.

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Women do not serve in the U.S. Marine Corps infantry. That does not mean that a woman cannot be caught in a combat situation. There are many women in support roles, who are risking their lives just the same.

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Oh sorry i was mistaken about that.

Some advice, always try to not let your emotions or emotional charged topics overwhelm you when you have to deal with them. Try to detatch yourself and thus maintain an objective view. Then your reply will be clear and concise and well thought out and not confused with illogic.

I'll break out a calculator and a FM or two and then post some weights of a normal pack load, then a combat load of typical items carried.

If you want to know my reasons for the no women in infantry start the post in the womens forum.

Jess

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Man ya'll didn't field day the heads. You emptied sh*t cans and policed butts outside the barracks maybe wipped down the washers and the dryers and then skyed out, just as soon as Big Mo was outta the AO.

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Ken Carney

Rank: E-3 Lance Corporal
Service: Marine Corps
Status: Veteran/Prior Service

Self Description: 0861 Transfered from HQ 2/12 Op's Platoon NGF section for the 1st Arty UDEP. Got to go back with Delta in 88. Spent a lot of time Dodging "Burn Em Quick" Morgan. And Pissin off Top Fejaren.

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Hay Carney whats up you proble don't remember me I was with the comm in Delta 2/12.

I seen Top Fejaen when I was getting out he was on his lat days before retiring and moved to Mexico.

Do you remember Cpl Curtner in comm I think he is a Gysgt now don't know where at.

Take care talk later

Damn bro, this is a great post. I really hadn't thought about those days in the field in quite some time. It's really strange looking back at that. It seems like my brain has filtered out all of the agonizingly long humps, rain, heat, sand, nasty azz MRE's and all of the other stuff that made you REALLY enjoy being a grunt. When I think back on it, all I remember are the good times; the funny things that happened and the people that I did my time with. Anyway, it reminded me of a story:

We were in the field at 29 Palms attacking a trench. We set up our base of fire and enveloped around the end of the trench. The LT made us put a chemlight on the trench to ensure that our base of fire lit up the right target. All was going well. Right up to the point where we called for the base of fire! Four 60s start lighting us up. There are tracers going everywhere. We were all diving in the sand and trying to find some cover. I would have sworn that I saw tracers going in between us but I think that in reality they were well above our heads. Someone pops up a red star cluster and, thank God, the shooting stops. We all get back together to figure out what the hell just happened. Why did our base of fire shoot at US? Well, it turned out that some other unit had dug their cat trench just left of and about 200 yards behind this trench that we were attacking. They didn't want to stumble around in the dark looking for it, so guess what? They hung a chemlite on it! Our base of fire shot at the wrong lite. Lucky for them, no one was utilizing their facility at the time.

Four 60s, couple hundred rounds of 7.62, a red star cluster, and one dead chemlight!

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1100: Chow, where you and others pack into POV's and drive out to San Clemente to pick up Taco Bell....or take a nap.

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or you could roll out to san onofre for a couple hours of surfing...

good thread mudrollin03...

Yeah at K-Bay we would cross the flightline with half a dozen of us packed into a freinds "island car" and hit the beach.

Think about it few other MOSes would have the guts to do it but we were crazy enough to say screw it, I got an hour lets go.

As for thanking me for the thread, hey it should answer alot of the questions the kiddies ask about infantry, but also gives them a real idea of life outside the field playing reindeer games in the barracks.

So it is you guys who deserve the thanks for keeping it going.

Next part shall be the LOADs we have humped! Give these children a dose of reality and why so many of us are so worn out.

Jess

loads...JTF-6 missions.

5-day missions without resupply, which means of course you are self-sufficent for those days. We had vector packs...that thing is too big in my opinion. It allowed you to pack it so full that humping it was like patrolling with a fridge on your back.

In addition to regular hygeine, rifle cleaning, cammies/socks gear, chow (field stripped), etc, we each had:

-water purifiers
-water bladders
-2 two-quart and 4 one-quart canteens
-singars radio and if you were real special a prc-77 or 109
-batteries for singars, prc-77, prc-109 (I think that's what the big one was called)
-6 mags of ammo
-more ammo
-civilian clothes in case we got compromised
-drug salute report forms and other intel gathering crap
-cameras
-did I mention batteries, ammo, and water?

the army air cav guys were our pilots, so they made us weigh in before we got on the birds to ensure they could handle the load. I recall my lightest load was ~95lbs and Herndon (our big man with the 109) weighed in at ~120-lbs.

due to being in a national forest with a strong civilian presence, caching your packs in a hidden spot wasn't really an option. So patrol up and down mountains for a few days with that load and it wears on you.

Is it safe to say that after a few years in a grunt unit, your lower body will be pretty Farked up?? and if so, how bad... do all of you Infantry Marines have to go thru extensive surgeries to fix problems with your legs? Also, to someone whos looking to be Infantry, what would be some things that could help prevent these problems to become so bad that one would barely be able to walk after a good 4 year infantry enlistment. Would these help? Developing all the major muscle groups in your legs? Substituting (spelling) things like running for swimming or getting on a treadbike? Another thing, how are you 03xx Marines doing with your lower backs? Should one work hard on developing your core muscle like abs and lower back muscles? Hope thats not too much to ask...
THANKS

For the first question, who knows, some guys get hurt, some go through fine, the younger you ar e the better I suppose. I don't have any problems.


For the "getting ready" question, The only "getting ready I did prior to the Marines was high school football, never ran, hiked, anything, and I was fine, always 1st class pft, never fell out of a hump, nothing. If you have heart enough the Marines will take care of the rest.

Enjoy your time before you ship, you won't get it back.

The answer would vary depending on who you ask and how long they were in the Infantry.

I'll give a spiel for a 5 year grunt...knees pop a little more in the mornings, and my right ankle is pretty weak from the few bad spills I took rolling it on rocky terrain.

Thanks for all the Info- Packed posts Really gives me an idea of being Infantry in teh Marine Corps. I am very interested in Infantry at this point and I think that is what I would be the best at. I just want to thank all you guys for letting us know

Mike

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Originally posted by MudRollin03:
Interesting replies from kids who are E1s and E2s. Either they have bad attituides and have been busted,

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LOL!!!!*cough*cough*

And Mud speaks the truth about our old C.O. With all do respect to our former Captain, the ****er was nuts!!

"Where the **** is he going now."

Haha

I think it was Sunday who brought up the squad pt thing. Hearing "squad/section pt this morning" was my absolute favorite thing to hear. Esp when it's 0430 on Oki and Kinville was calling your name the night before.

Remember the times in Rock America, you would say,

"Okay just a couple bottle of mojo, then I'll go back and hit the rack by 11 and get 4 hours sleep before PT."

11 comes and you then say "okay midnight."

Midnight comes and goes and then you are looking at the clock.

"Okay its 0230, reville is 0300, formation 0330, So I can stay for another half hour, 40 minutes if I catch a honcho back, plenty of time."

Running in the barracks tearing off your clothes and jumping into PT gear and out the back to formation. ITs a good thing we were so drunk otherwise we would have felt the pain right away from the PT. Or the poor green kids who tried to hang with us who had been on prior deployments, the pretty colors they made on the deck after the first few exercises.

We must have had a sadist streak to have put ourselves through that type of torture.

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Originally posted by MudRollin03:
If you want to know my reasons for the no women in infantry start the post in the womens forum.

Jess

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Actually, you can keep it out of the Women's Forums as well. We don't need any more BS in there because we already have enough to deal with.

That topic has been covered ad naseum in the Gender Integration and the Marines forum. Go there and provide your comments...

The Post that won;t die!

Here we go another round to save us old farts from having to type with our arthritic fingers

Semper

Jess