I got out in the early 70's and since then, I have not kept up with the changing name designations to units, etc. Back then, "force recon" was called that. In 21st century MC, that title or name, "force recon," I believe, has changed? I've been looking through marine corps websites to find out how "old" name designation has evolved into its "new" name? I guess this information must be in MC history archives? Thanks

You asked this is another thread a while back. I answered it then. Here it is again...

Ohana,

Deep Recon and Force Recon are essentially the same. What's new becomes old, then becomes new again... only to become old again.

Back in the day...
1st Force Recon deactivated in 1974.
A Deep Recon Platoon (DRP) was formed at 1st Recon Bn. that was tasked with the Force Recon mission for the 1st MARDIV.

3rd Force went from active to reserve unit (not sure of the year) and headquartered in Alabama.
A Deep Recon Platoon was formed at 3rd Recon Bn. (in Hawaii with A Co.) that was tasked with the Force Recon mission for the 3rd MarDiv.

1984...
1st Force Recon Company reactivated and seeded with the DRP from 1st Recon Bn.

5th Force Recon Company was reactivated (not sure of the year), tasked with the Force Recon mission for the 3rd Mar Div.

During the 90's, the Marine Corps did some experimenting with Division Recon Platoons as part of regular infantry units.

5th Force Recon Co. became part of 3rd Recon Bn.

1st Recon Bn. was deactivated for a handful of years during this period. I believe they were reactivated in the late 90's.

2nd Force Recon Co. pretty much stayed intact up until the late 90's when it was absorbed into the 2nd Recon Bn. as the Force Recon company of 2nd Recon Bn. . Note - it wasn't referred to as the Deep Recon Platoon.

2nd Force Recon Co. reactivated in 2000-2001.

2006 - MARSOC
1st and 2nd Force Recon Companies, the only 2 remaining active duty Force Recon companies were deactivated.

2 Platoons from 2nd Force seeded 2nd MSOB, MARSOC while another 2 platoons became DRP's at 2nd Recon Bn.

2 Platoons from 1st Force seeded 1st MSOB, MARSOC while another 2 platoons became DRP's at 1st Recon Bn.

Today...
I hear scuttlebutt of bringing back the Force Recon Companies.

It may not be scuttlebutt any more.

According to Forcerecon.com, 1st Recon Bat Delta Company, is to become the nucleus for reactivated Force Recon Company.

Update...

The content at ForceRecon.com was a bit inaccurate.

Delta Co., 1st Recon Bn is to be redesignated as
Force Recon Co., 1st Recon Bn.

I have edited the content at ForceRecon.com to reflect this correction.

The Delta Companies at 2nd and 3rd Recon Battalions are to be similarly redesignated.

The reserve Force Recon Companies, 3rd and 4th, remain unchanged.

Okay I'll bite, what the heck is MSOB?

I totally agree with you Deep, the more things change the more they stay the same. Are they still going by "Swift Silent Deadly" or am I just that old and out of touch?

MSOB - Marine Special Operations Batallion

The MSOB's are the Force Reconnaissance and Direct Action elelments of MARSOC.

The other elements of MARSOC
MSOAG - Marine Special Operations Advisory Group
This is the main element of MARSOC and tasked with MARSOC's primary mission of foreign military training.

MSOSG - Marine Special Operations Support Group

MSOS - Marine Special Operations Schools

You can read all about MARSOC from their web site:

http://www.marsoc.usmc.mil

All of the Recon Battalions use the same motto; Swift, Silent, Deadly. 3rd Recon uses the latin version of the motto; Celer, Silens, Mortalis.

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Originally posted by DeepRecon:
Update...

The content at ForceRecon.com was a bit inaccurate.

Delta Co., 1st Recon Bn is to be redesignated as
Force Recon Co., 1st Recon Bn.

I have edited the content at ForceRecon.com to reflect this correction.

The Delta Companies at 2nd and 3rd Recon Battalions are to be similarly redesignated.

The reserve Force Recon Companies, 3rd and 4th, remain unchanged.

So why the name change? For traditions sake?

Plus, if I am not mistaken, every time a FR Company was subordinated to a Battalion, the system did not really work -and they got to be independent again in order to effectively support the MEF level missions.

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Originally posted by tigerstr:

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Originally posted by DeepRecon:
Update...

The content at ForceRecon.com was a bit inaccurate.

Delta Co., 1st Recon Bn is to be redesignated as
Force Recon Co., 1st Recon Bn.

I have edited the content at ForceRecon.com to reflect this correction.

The Delta Companies at 2nd and 3rd Recon Battalions are to be similarly redesignated.

The reserve Force Recon Companies, 3rd and 4th, remain unchanged.

So why the name change? For traditions sake?

Plus, if I am not mistaken, every time a FR Company was subordinated to a Battalion, the system did not really work -and they got to be independent again in order to effectively support the MEF level missions.

Shut up Mr. "Military Enthusiast"

You wouldn't know jack **** about how the Marine Corps works, no matter how many g@y little books and websites you read you still don't know anything, you have NEVER been there and done that.

Good call Ahill think what you said about sums this post up LOL.

Anyone that questions DeepRecons Info better sure as hell have served or better damn sure have their facts straight.

He seems to be on top of anything Recon related for sure.

Semper Fi steve keep up the good work.

Guys I think you missunderstood me completely and jumped the gun.

I am not questioning DeepRecons info, background or anything else AT ALL.

On the contrary I am just pointing out that this appears to be a name change and not a return to the independent Force Recon Companies that were, well independent, from the Bats AND because of that they were structured (HQ, staff, support, number of Recon Platoons etc.)much different than a Bat Recon Company.

Maybe the Corps wants to keep staff-support numbers lower or whatever else, but this has happened in the past and proved temporary.

And thats a very hard fact!

So I actually ment no disrespect for DeepRecon and his info. I just commented on it regarding it a priori, as 100% correct.

Hope that clears it for anybody rushing to conclusions.

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Originally posted by AHill_USMC:

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Originally posted by tigerstr:

quote:

Originally posted by DeepRecon:
Update...

The content at ForceRecon.com was a bit inaccurate.

Delta Co., 1st Recon Bn is to be redesignated as
Force Recon Co., 1st Recon Bn.

I have edited the content at ForceRecon.com to reflect this correction.

The Delta Companies at 2nd and 3rd Recon Battalions are to be similarly redesignated.

The reserve Force Recon Companies, 3rd and 4th, remain unchanged.

So why the name change? For traditions sake?

Plus, if I am not mistaken, every time a FR Company was subordinated to a Battalion, the system did not really work -and they got to be independent again in order to effectively support the MEF level missions.

Shut up Mr. "Military Enthusiast"

You wouldn't know jack **** about how the Marine Corps works, no matter how many g@y little books and websites you read you still don't know anything, you have NEVER been there and done that.

He's totally right though.

Yes I am not a BTDT. This IS after all the "Wannabe" forum isnt it?

Why dont you people just let DeepRecon state his thoughts on the subject, if he wishes to, or state your arguments on my comment (which by the way is partly based on opinion from people who have BTDT) instead of trying to berate me for who I am.

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Originally posted by tigerstr:
Yes I am not a BTDT. This IS after all the "Wannabe" forum isnt it?

Why dont you people just let DeepRecon state his thoughts on the subject, if he wishes to, or state your arguments on my comment (which by the way is partly based on opinion from people who have BTDT) instead of trying to berate me for who I am.

*who you are not

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(which by the way is partly based on opinion from people who have BTDT)

What's the other part based on?

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So why the name change? For traditions sake?

Which change? When the active duty Force Recon Companies were deactivated, the MEF mission became tasked to the Deep Recon Platoons in the Recon Battalions. So, Force Recon was changed to Deep Recon Platoons, Delta Company.

You would rather have 1st Deep Recon Platoon, Delta Co., 2nd Deep Recon Platoon, Delta Co...

Instead of 1st Platoon Force Recon Co, 2nd platoon Force Recon Co.

Who are you to give any kind of opinion on the name of the unit?

Force Recon mission includes deep reconnaissance

In the past, change came from down-sizing. A Recon Battalion would have 1 DRP. I have never heard of a Force Recon MEF mission that was not accomplished because of the ineffectiveness of a DRP.

Perceived? ... maybe. Actually? No.

Today, there is an entire company of DRP's in the Recon Battalion. Changing from Delta to Force Recon Company is fitting. That's what the company is.

Tradition? Nothing wrong with that.

Now, go away. This is the wannabee forum, not the groupee forum.

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Originally posted by DeepRecon:
Now, go away. This is the wannabee forum, not the groupee forum.

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