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I'm a Wannabe with a Private Profile. Please make fun of me as I don't know any better and like to ask stupid Questions. |
I was just curious whats the graduation rate for Boot Camp? As in what percentage of original recruits will graduate as Marines? I ask this because Ive heard 2 completely different things before: On 1 hand Ive heard the graduation rate is 90%+ because of a extreme-reluctance to send recruits home and instead recycle those who perform poorly to other battalions to graduate at a later date, but on the other-hand Ive heard the graduation rate is like 60% and quite alot of people wont make it...period.
And whats the most common reason for a recruit to be dismissed from Boot Camp? Thank you for any replies in advance. |
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Marine Moderator Air Wing  |
Hopefully this fills in some of the blanks, I was in Boot Camp in 1979. The goodd thing is that the basic mold has not been broken on how thye make Marines. What hold true to Platoon may not be true for another one. I can tell you that the other platoons in our Series (4 platoons to a Series) seemed to have the same rate of attrition as we did. I don't remember when we started off T1 how many where starting for the 1st time on T1 or how many where retry's. Aa far as I know we where all 1st timers. If you stay with your orginal platoon you will see in 1st and 2nd phase that your will puick up recruits. Not many pick ups in 3rd phase..... |
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I'm a Wannabe with a Private Profile. Please make fun of me as I don't know any better and like to ask stupid Questions. |
Really??? |
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MODERATOR, MARINE FORUMS I'm innocent! I'm the John Boy.......  |
Yo! Mr. Private Member Profile, Really yes.................. Do you think for one minute that with each graduating platoon there is not a: slowest less smart fatest crappy at drill Marine in that Platoon? Or are they all just transformed to complete equals? Do that again and you will be gone!  Semper Fi Johnny Blaze If you're gonna shoot, shoot! Don't Talk. |
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You get used to seeing people in the military (and in LIFE) who "slip through the cracks," meaning there will always be people who shouldn't make it, but who somehow manage to slime by. We had a guy who had some issue with his feet and spent most of boot camp walking with cane, not doing much of anything but sitting on his footlocker, reading his knowledge and taking up space. He took the PFT when he had to, then went back to hobbling around on light duty. He wasn't really a dirtbag, but just a guy who couldn't train. They probably should have sent him home, but he graduated. This was in 1986. Despite that guy, though, we started with 72 and graduated 47. Common recycle reasons were failure to qualify, failure to pass PT tests, safety violations on the range, and just generally being unfit. Again, why this one guy managed to make it, I have no idea. |
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i know my platoon started with 110-120 or so and we graduated 85-90.
most of those who were dropped eventually completed boot camp. we had a lot of injuries during boot camp. lots of lost time from stress fractures, sprained ankles, back issues, and a case of crabs that spread through our squad bay after we returned from Pendleton. we also had a cold that swept through our platoon the first week of training. i was on the plane to san diego with the guy who brought it. half the platoon got sick. it escalated to pnemonia for a lot of recruits who didn't want to go to sick call for it. we lost at least 5 or 6 because of it. we also dropped 3 or 4 to Pork Chop Platoon for PFT reasons. we had a squad leader who got droppped because he didn't qualify on the rifle range. we also had one recruit who just went crazy and was later seperated. this guy had been an all-state athlete and was enough of a physical specimen to be a recruiting poster Marine, but he couldn't handle being yelled at, and being criticized all the, etc. he was always told how great he was and how perfect he was at everything, so when he was told otherwise, he cracked up. another side note. we were given laundry numbers (as were many other i'm sure)mine was 13. Our DIs always took note of that and said i had the lucky number to be dropped for something. it turned out that numbers 10-12 and 14-16 were dropped for one reason or another. so, as a lesson to you, just stick with it. it's not about the baddest, or the strongest. sometimes it's dumb luck and sometimes it's just survival. |
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Iraq Class of 2007 |
Its higher than it should be. |
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1st Phase is a stress test specifically designed to weed out those who don't cut it mentally which normally comes to about 25%. Then it's expected that another 10-15% will drop or recycle for medical reasons which means many platoons normally graduate 65-70% of those who started.
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Marine Moderator Air Wing |
My Di's where always %ucking with me. At Final Inspection our SDI pulled me out of line and put me in the Reject line. He gave me no reason as to why he just did it. The Bat Co came over to Inspect us so I came up with a reason, so I told him my web belt was to long. After the Inspection was over the SDI came up to me and said good recovery, turn and walked off. I was saying inside, thank god...
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I was a mod for a few months at a website specifically for Marine recruit's parents. From what I saw, I would agree 100% with your assessment, sir. Stress fractures and pull-ups were most common physical reasons for drops. |
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I just graduated June 20....I'll tell you what every platoon has those nasty 4 or 5 who barely made it. For instance my rack mate only did 3 pull ups and was only 2 pounds under weight....He was the only fat person in the company. Its nasty who can make it. Just try your hardest at all times and you'll be fine. Don't be the one who slimes his way by.
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Like it or not that nasty Marine who just made it through Boot Camp just could the guy who gets meritorious Sgt over you because he earned it. Or the guy who saved your a$$ in a fire fight. Or the guy who covered your a$$ because you missed something at field day be cuse you where to drunk to know better. Do not prejudge things you may not know about. If your DI's or Series Officers felt like you do he would not have made it out of Boot Camp. I trust there judgement over yours, every day! If I ever would have heard a non rate like you talk this we would have a long talk. Trust me, you will have a hard time in the Corps with your outlook...GET IT? Are you sure your not a wannabe acting like you've been there done that? |
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graduating boot camp is only the start. it represents only 3 months of a 4 year enlistment.
for most it is an entry point. for the rest, it is the peak of their time in the service. Like Tom Hansen stated, that Marine who barely made it through boot camp may end up doing great things later. i ran into our platoon fatbody a few years after i had got out. he was in MECEP and was preparing to become an Officer. he had shed another 20 pounds AFTER boot camp and became a PFT stud. he just needed some motivation to keep going. i've also seen the Marines who did well in boot camp struggle with the everyday Marine Corps. i knew a platoon honorman who was seperated for trafficking drugs. I knew a squad leader who was kicked out for stealing. i knew another who was kicked out for filing phony police reports. point is, graduation is just the beginning. the time you spend is a marathon, not a sprint. treat it accordingly. |
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Cpl, I completely understand the Marine you are talking about, not the best in garrison but is s*** hot in the field. We had a few in our platoon that could barely pass anything, but ended up having more heart than any of the 295 PFT'ers put together. At the same time, I have met Marines who barely passed boot, barely passed MOS school and do the bare minimum in the fleet. The old saying about the 10% and people for cleaning the head seems to apply. Think jumping on numbers may be a bit too motivated on this occasion, especially without more info on his rackmate. He rackmate could really have been that bad. I know my SDI even said he wasnt sure if it was a good idea, but that he was going to give a few recruits a chance to change by graduating them as Marines. Some really changed and became top notch Marines and one or two.. well they probably will be discharged before the end of there contract. |
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Maybe they made him rack mates for a reason, to help maybe the other do better? So if his rack mate fails then so does he, like I pointed out the powers to be could and would have held back the rack mate if needed. So many times you would see some make it through school in to the fleet thinking his stuff did not stink. Those where in general the trouble makers. the 10%. I always loved this type at Field Days, being in the Wing is the shop NCO's over these guys. Off Duty it the NCO's in the barracks to watch over these guys....
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what's the saying that applies here? Oh yeah, I remember now...
"You're only as strong as your weakest link" |
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Marine Moderator Air Wing |
You being called out son, so why did you help you bunk mate any more then you did? Are you sure you've been to boot camp?..... |
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While I can't directly speak for 15081234, there was a few guys in my platoon who I believe truely didn't want to earn the title. There was RCT Smith, and since TD 1, got his butt reamed by the drill instructors, and the whole platoon. Weak pull ups, run time, etc; but really book-smart. He seemed to get better around week 4 and I thought he would make it just fine. Then came the rifle range and when he didn't qual the first time...the second time...his motivation got shot to ****. I talked to him 1-1 after lights and told him the truth - the worst part of bootcamp is over, just don't lose focus of why you came here - to earn the EGA. He wound up getting dropped because he couldn't qualify. Which reminds me, I'm going to have to get ahold of my SDI and see if he knows if Smith ever made it or not.
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F-yeah! I posted something worthy of a temporary position at the top of the forum! |
For reals. |
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