i did not mean in that sense, but are the policies regarding drugs any different for PLC than recruits?

Poolee requesting permission to post- If I am out of line with posting this please remove it or say something and I will remove it.

To the OP- I have a UZ Recon Enlistment Option contract. I also disclosed smoking marijuana 20 times. My recruiter told me that "because your waiver did not go above the RS [Recruiting Station] level it won't keep you from getting UZ."

According to him, even though the requirements for UZ say that you can't have a drug waiver, they will only DQ you from it if your waiver goes above a certain point.

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Originally posted by 17616187:
i did not mean in that sense, but are the policies regarding drugs any different for PLC than recruits?

I am going to give YOU a chance to answer your own question.

If you're a leader of men and women, and you expect them to follow your example, what do YOU think the standards are?

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Originally posted by SgtLtUSMC:

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Originally posted by 17616187:
i did not mean in that sense, but are the policies regarding drugs any different for PLC than recruits?

I am going to give YOU a chance to answer your own question.

If you're a leader of men and women, and you expect them to follow your example, what do YOU think the standards are?

Oh, BTW, I'm not saying you will be DQ'd or what not, (that's up to the OSO). But I am giving you something to think about as a leader if you really want to be one.

Thank You for the advice. I am meeting with a recruiter today and plan on telling them the truth. Becoming a Marine is more important to me than wasting my life away with drugs.

Hey, SgtLtUSMC thanks for the all of the advice, I met with my recruiter today and was honest with her about everything, and I feel really good about it. I should be at the Island early this summer!

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Originally posted by 17616187:
Hey, SgtLtUSMC thanks for the all of the advice, I met with my recruiter today and was honest with her about everything, and I feel really good about it. I should be at the Island early this summer!

You know that feeling you got? That's the feeling of knowing you did the right thing. Good for you, it's called integrity and courage.

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Originally posted by SCMerle:

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Originally posted by 17616187:
Hey, SgtLtUSMC thanks for the all of the advice, I met with my recruiter today and was honest with her about everything, and I feel really good about it. I should be at the Island early this summer!

You know that feeling you got? That's the feeling of knowing you did the right thing. Good for you, it's called integrity and courage.

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Like the old saying goes, "Let the truth set you free."

In this profession, you're going to want to trust your fellow Marines and they in return the same of you. When you become a leader, it multiplies 10 fold.

You bring light to this topic polluted with posters who think what they did is no "big deal."

When you're expected to be trusted with a loaded weapon, oh, you better believe it IS a big deal.

Good luck to you!

Of course, honesty is is part of honor and that is the best policy.
However, show me one Marine who has never cheated or lied whether it be at the recruiters office, at basic during an exam, at MCT for a test, on any MCI, or to anyone to cover their troops or their bosses ***, and I will show you a liar.

My apologies if there is actually one Marine who can honestly say that they haven't.

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Originally posted by 5925319:
Of course, honesty is is part of honor and that is the best policy.
However, show me one Marine who has never cheated or lied whether it be at the recruiters office, at basic during an exam, at MCT for a test, on any MCI, or to anyone to cover their troops or their bosses ***, and I will show you a liar.

My apologies if there is actually one Marine who can honestly say that they haven't.

You should take Active Duty off your profile. I'm sure there has been Marines who have lied, but with something as serious as their job, I'm also sure most good Marines haven't. Besides, they test you for a reason, to see if you can do the job. If you cheat to pass something you can't do, good luck in combat.

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Originally posted by 5925319:
Of course, honesty is is part of honor and that is the best policy.
However, show me one Marine who has never cheated or lied whether it be at the recruiters office, at basic during an exam, at MCT for a test, on any MCI, or to anyone to cover their troops or their bosses ***, and I will show you a liar.

My apologies if there is actually one Marine who can honestly say that they haven't.

That's beside the point.

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Originally posted by 5925319:
Of course, honesty is is part of honor and that is the best policy.
However, show me one Marine who has never cheated or lied whether it be at the recruiters office, at basic during an exam, at MCT for a test, on any MCI, or to anyone to cover their troops or their bosses ***, and I will show you a liar.

My apologies if there is actually one Marine who can honestly say that they haven't.

Wow, such harsh words for their first post.

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Originally posted by Kennnz:

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Originally posted by 5925319:
Of course, honesty is is part of honor and that is the best policy.
However, show me one Marine who has never cheated or lied whether it be at the recruiters office, at basic during an exam, at MCT for a test, on any MCI, or to anyone to cover their troops or their bosses ***, and I will show you a liar.

My apologies if there is actually one Marine who can honestly say that they haven't.

You should take Active Duty off your profile. I'm sure there has been Marines who have lied, but with something as serious as their job, I'm also sure most good Marines haven't. Besides, they test you for a reason, to see if you can do the job. If you cheat to pass something you can't do, good luck in combat.

First of all, until you've been to combat, you can shut your trap, because you know nothing about it. Guess what, I didn't see Fox News out there with me, so I know that you don't know what you're talking about.
Second of all, if I took active duty off my profile that would be a lie, something you're arguing against- so don't bother having the audacity to suggest it to a Marine.
But since you're only an idealistic, completely inexperienced 15 year old boy, I won't waste any more time with you. Good luck out there, kiddo. Write back in 5 years, after you've been in for a few- if you make it that far.

Wow Rachel, two posts, you are making a lot of friends. By looking at your profile, it doesnt tell us much. You may be the 15 year old with a chip on her shoulder. How about filling us in on who you are?

I am also currently a senior in high school, and im in for recon too...i told my recruiter and the guys at meps about my past which is alot worse than what u say yours is like, and everything was fine...as long as its in your past, they couldnt care less

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However, show me one Marine who has never cheated or lied whether it be at the recruiters office, at basic during an exam, at MCT for a test, on any MCI, or to anyone to cover their troops or their bosses ***, and I will show you a liar.

There are MANY people out there who've never done anything wrong (or who DID do something wrong, but owned up to it and overcame it). I've seen their applications on my desk and investigated their backgrounds, and they come from the Marine Corps., the Army, the Navy, the civilian world, etc. Guess what? Everyone with a skeleton in their closet (like a lie at MEPS) gets to compete against them. Good luck.

Please don't trot out the tired line of "everyone-else-has-lied-so-it's-OK." It's not only completely false, but it's an excuse; one used by people who screwed up, but instead of admitting it and moving on, they try to bring everyone else down to their level. It doesn't work.

The bottom line is that it's not easy to be 18 and have screwed up, then to MAN-up and tell someone you did it and go through the process to get it fixed. It's not easy for the enlistee, who has to swallow some pride and do someting they don't want to do; and it's not easy for the recruiter, who has to process the waiver and faces the chance (albeit usually a small one) of losing a potential stat for his/her quota. It's easy to just lie or tell someone to do so.

But there are no potential consequences for being honest, whereas there ARE for lying.

And people who spend all their time focusing on what those potential consequences "could" be or what "they" may or may not find out are missing the point. It's not about whether the military has the resorces to hunt down people who committed fraudulent enlistments and kick them out or the mechanics of how it's done. It's about the potential repurcussions for YOU, the individual, in YOUR particular case, and about being willing to have that hanging over your head for the rest of your career.

By lying, you're taking a risk, plain and simple. And it's a risk that you can choose to eliminate. You can eliminate it by doing the right thing or live with it by being lazy and decietful. The choice is yours. If you want to spin that wheel, go for it, but anyone who does so is in no position to give anyone else advice.

Indeed, if everyone who decided to take the easy way out would stop giving bad advice, there'd be a lot less people out there who regret following it.

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Originally posted by 5925319:
Of course, honesty is is part of honor and that is the best policy.
However, show me one Marine who has never cheated or lied whether it be at the recruiters office, at basic during an exam, at MCT for a test, on any MCI, or to anyone to cover their troops or their bosses ***, and I will show you a liar.

My apologies if there is actually one Marine who can honestly say that they haven't.

So, every Marine is a cheater and the ones who say they aren't are liars?? I hope you're not active duty.

Here's the part that I think noone noticed
"Of course, honesty is is part of honor and that is the best policy."

It was very first thing I said. The rest of what I said was intended to point out the fact that most people are guilty of some form of dishonesty, and so there was no need to get on the kids case with giant condescending paragraphs.

I thought the fact that he felt guilty enough to bring it up in this forum was enough to spare him a little grace. But then he had to be a little brat so.. nevermind.

Anyway for the record, don't lie.
It's wrong.
Unless youre at basic and your DI needs someone to take the blame for something trivial, and you do it to save the whole platoon a smoking. Thats teamwork.hahahaa.

---> Runs off to study for my AT certification test...

Don't lie, its not worth it!! Be honest! I am going to say something here even if it does not belong in this forum because I have read a lot different postings from various sites about Marines who have been in combat giving the young Marines a lot **** about some type of question they might have. I think thats a load of crap!! A lot you join the Marines when there was not a war going on and these young men joined knowing that there is a war going on!! I think that says a lot about their character!! So give them a break! Also, the ones that get on here and ask questions about joining, cut them sosme slack!! The same goes for them, they also know there is a war going on and still would like to join. So why not help them out with whatever question they might have instead of brow beating them!!
S/F
Bruce
PMD of Lcpl Eric
C-130J Crew Chief

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Originally posted by anywherealwaysready:
Unless youre at basic and your DI needs someone to take the blame for something trivial, and you do it to save the whole platoon a smoking. Thats teamwork.hahahaa.

Basic, huh?

What Marine Corps did you join?

I served three years in the Army Reserve after getting our of the Corps, but I still don't make a mistake and refer to my first days in the military as "basic."

I don't know one Marine (whether they joined a another branch later or not) that has made the mistake of referring to boot as basic.

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Originally posted by SCMerle:
You may be the 15 year old with a chip on her shoulder. How about filling us in on who you are?

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