Ok, I am going to speak with a recruiter soon and would like to get some things answered first. I am going to enlist soon with the MOS of Recon. I am currently a Senior in High School. I have used marijuana a few times my Sophomore and Junior year. I stopped cold turkey when I became serious the end of my Junior year. What I am worried about is that for Recon you cannot have any drug waivers. I know there is a huge risk of not saying anything and them finding out later, but I can't really see myself in anything but Recon. Also note that I have nothing on my school or police record for anything.

Thank You

If you stopped doing drugs and you never been arrested for drugs then NOBODY needs to know because it is not documented.but if you decide to do drugs while your in the Corps your risking a Bad Conduct Discharge.Catch my drift.

Thanks for the honest response. And yes I'm done for good.

Just watch out for the Moment of Truth once you arrive at either Parris Island or San Diego....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mksmith111:
Ok, I am going to speak with a recruiter soon and would like to get some things answered first. I am going to enlist soon with the MOS of Recon.[QUOTE]

Did 4th Force move to New Jersey? Because that is the only way you could join with the MOS of Recon. Check out the Recon thread it's all explained there. The only possible course to get a guaranteed specific MOS is in the reserves. This has been stated and restated many time here in this forum. Hence the only way you could receive the 0321 Reconnaissance Man MOS, even then you would most likely check into your unit as an 0311 and then spend a good amount of time in the RIP before the unit would send you to BRC or ARS. This is information that DR (Deep Recon) should be versing, so I am going to back off. Check out the Recon thread! The reference to 4th Force was a joke, because there are other Recon units 4th Recon (Texas), but 4th Force probably has the abundance of the BRC school slots.

Logisitcsguru - The UZ enlistment option guarantees the enlistee BRC and 0321 if he successfully jumps all of the hurdles along the way. If not, the enlistee reverts to the UH enlistment option - 03xx.

There may still be a $10,000 bonus with the UZ enlistment option.

If he is joining into reserves, then that changes things. He must live within a 200 mile radius of a reserve Recon unit, Battalion or Force.

There is a no drug waiver, no moral waiver policy with the UZ enlistment option.

I am in the same situation as you. The only difference is, I'm not going into Recon. I just told em that I did it a couple times and I was done. It's not that big of a deal. You really don't even need to say anything.

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Originally posted by ZER0RD13:
I am in the same situation as you. The only difference is, I'm not going into Recon. I just told em that I did it a couple times and I was done. It's not that big of a deal. You really don't even need to say anything.

Why do ya'll continue to give advise on enlisting and what or what not to disclose? Your situation and how it was handled will be different from this character.


And doing drugs is a big deal.

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Originally posted by betiostripe:
If you stopped doing drugs and you never been arrested for drugs then NOBODY needs to know because it is not documented.but if you decide to do drugs while your in the Corps your risking a Bad Conduct Discharge.Catch my drift.

This is VERY bad advice. If you go to the joining the military board you will see a post on NOT LYING. It tells the story of an Airman who did just this thinking that no one would ever know. Well one of his "Buddies" knows and talked. When they do the back ground check they will talk to people you know. And one of them WILL let it slip that you did drugs. When that happens you will be in a world of hurt. The only thing more stupid then telling some one to lie, Is lying.

Article 83—Fraudulent enlistment, appointment, or separation

Text.

“Any person who—

(1) procures his own enlistment or appointment in the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his qualifications for that enlistment or appointment and receives pay or allowances thereunder; or

(2) procures his own separation from the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his eligibility for that separation;

shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

Elements.

(1) Fraudulent enlistment or appointment.

(a) That the accused was enlisted or appointed in an armed force;

(b) That the accused knowingly misrepresented or deliberately concealed a certain material fact or facts regarding qualifications of the accused for enlistment or appointment;

(c) That the accused’s enlistment or appointment was obtained or procured by that knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment; and

(d) That under this enlistment or appointment that accused received pay or allowances or both.

(2) Fraudulent separation.

(a) That the accused was separated from an armed force;

(b) That the accused knowingly misrepresented or deliberately concealed a certain material fact or facts about the accused’s eligibility for separation; and

(c) That the accused’s separation was obtained or procured by that knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment.

Explanation.

(1) In general. A fraudulent enlistment, appointment, or separation is one procured by either a knowingly false representation as to any of the qualifications prescribed by law, regulation, or orders for the specific enlistment, appointment, or separation, or a deliberate concealment as to any of those disqualifications. Matters that may be material to an enlistment, appointment, or separation include any information used by the recruiting, appointing, or separating officer in reaching a decision as to enlistment, appointment, or separation in any particular case, and any information that normally would have been so considered had it been provided to that officer.

(2) Receipt of pay or allowances. A member of the armed forces who enlists or accepts an appointment without being regularly separated from a prior enlistment or appointment should be charged under Article 83 only if that member has received pay or allowances under the fraudulent enlistment or ap pointment. Acceptance of food, clothing, shelter, or transportation from the government constitutes receipt of allowances. However, whatever is furnished the accused while in custody, confinement, arrest, or other restraint pending trial for fraudulent enlistment or appointment is not considered an allowance. The receipt of pay or allowances may be proved by circumstantial evidence.

(3) One offense. One who procures one’s own enlistment, appointment, or separation by several misrepresentations or concealment as to qualifications for the one enlistment, appointment, or separation so procured, commits only one offense under Article 83.

Lesser included offense . Article 80—attempts

Maximum punishment.

(1) Fraudulent enlistment or appointment. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.

(2) Fraudulent separation. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.

Above Information from Manual for Court Martial, 2002, Chapter 4, Paragraph 7


This is for anyone that thinks "It's no big deal" to lie to enlist.

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This is VERY bad advice.

+1. If you think you know right now, at age 18(ish) everything you will ever want to do in your life and every career option you'll ever want to pursue, then go for it. If you're sure you'll never want/need to apply for a gov't job, a job requiring a security clearance or a background investigation, a polygraph, never want to be a police officer or other public official, etc., lie away.

Because for any of those careers, telling a stupid lie - regardless of how "minor" the issue you're attempting to conceal might be - is probably going to come back and bite you. And then you'll be done.

For every person who lied and got away with it, there's another one who wishes he/she never lied and didn't have to live with the past mistake. And no matter what you might think, using marijuana as a teenager is a pretty minor issue on background investigations when compared to lying to cover it up after the fact, on a military enlistment - when a person should clearly know better. There are plenty of "waivers" for people who used marijunana...not so many for people who lied to cover it up and committed a fraudulent enlistment.

This is not a skeleton you want to put in your closet.

DanSpitz I know what your talking about with the government jobs. I know a police officer well and he said at the academy they give you a huge packet to fill out about your life, then they take you into a room with a polygraph and read your answers back to you to see if you lied. I do not ever see myself being a police officer or any gov't official. I just want to enlist 4 years with the MOS of Recon, and see where it goes from there. My understanding right now is that for a secret clerance they just do a background check from the police and school system, for the top secret they go and interview your friends and family. I don't think that it's too much of a big deal trying marijuana a few times in the past I don't know anyone on the football/wrestling/cross country/baseball team that doesn't do it regularly.

MK...

You had already made your mind up that you were going to lie. You came here looking for justification for it, hoping that we would tell you it was OK and you'd get away with it.

You do what you want...just be prepared to live with your actions.

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Originally posted by DeepRecon:
Logisitcsguru - The UZ enlistment option guarantees the enlistee BRC and 0321 if he successfully jumps all of the hurdles along the way. If not, the enlistee reverts to the UH enlistment option - 03xx.

There may still be a $10,000 bonus with the UZ enlistment option.

If he is joining into reserves, then that changes things. He must live within a 200 mile radius of a reserve Recon unit, Battalion or Force.

There is a no drug waiver, no moral waiver policy with the UZ enlistment option.

GTG, I knew you'd set it straight.

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Originally posted by mksmith111:
Ok, I am going to speak with a recruiter soon and would like to get some things answered first. I am going to enlist soon with the MOS of Recon. I am currently a Senior in High School. I have used marijuana a few times my Sophomore and Junior year. I stopped cold turkey when I became serious the end of my Junior year. What I am worried about is that for Recon you cannot have any drug waivers. I know there is a huge risk of not saying anything and them finding out later, but I can't really see myself in anything but Recon. Also note that I have nothing on my school or police record for anything.

Thank You

Here is the word and take from me because I know (MEPS Liaison)

On the Line 5c of the UZ contract it says: Must be eligible for a Secret Clearance. NO Moral or Drug Waivers Above the Recruiting Station Level. NO Serious offenses.

This mean they can give you a drug waiver at the Recruiting Level and you can still get your UZ contract. The Recruiting Station can approve drug waivers for certain amounts of drugs. If you lie about your drug usage, they will find out at "The Island" or the "The Depot"! It is called the Moment of Truth. If they find out you lied, they will take away your job, bonus, etc and you will be either discharged or go in the needs of the Marine Corps! TELL THE TRUTH BECAUSE THE MARINE CORPS WILL EVENTUALLY FIND OUT!

How will they find out if he has nothing on his police or school record?

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Originally posted by eaglehcky4:
How will they find out if he has nothing on his police or school record?

That is why they call it the "Moment of Truth"!
If you are not honest up front, then why do you wanna be a Marine! Why even risk lying about something that we may or may not catch? The Marines at Parris Island that process you during the "Moment of Truth" are Career recruiters. Which mean they know the game! The know when you are lying and when you are telling the truth. It is just a matter of time before they break you. The RS level drug waiver is a minor one and really doesn't effect your enlistment, so why lie about something that is very minor? HONOR, COURAGE, COMMITTMENT!

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How will they find out if he has nothing on his police or school record?

Doesn't matter how - there are ways. And it's when people start assuming that they're smarter than the system and that nothing from their past will ever rear it's ugly head in an unexpected way that they screw up. No, your past might NOT come back to haunt you, but why take the chance, lie, then build a life based on that lie - when there's a distinct possibility that everything you're building might get yanked away? Is it really worth it?

More importantly, for people who wish to swear an oath and beocme Marines, "integrity" should be an important word. It means zilch if someone lies to get in. Wondering how someone finds out shouldn't even be on your radar if you have integrity to begin with.

coxmd,
Is the waiverable amount of drug use determined by the individual recruiting stations or is there a standard Marine Corps wide? I ask because I used marijuana twice during my junior year and would like to know if I qualify for a recruiting station level waiver. I have no police record.
Thanks for your time

It is Marine Corps wide, but the it is waivable at the RS level. And yes are eligible for a RS waiver.

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Originally posted by jester1775:
coxmd,
Is the waiverable amount of drug use determined by the individual recruiting stations or is there a standard Marine Corps wide? I ask because I used marijuana twice during my junior year and would like to know if I qualify for a recruiting station level waiver. I have no police record.
Thanks for your time