For me, a Hanese, the Tibet issue has no relevance with human rights whatsoever, for the Tibet issue has nothing to do with the any universal human values.

Dala and his Tibetan followers have the right to dream their independent Tibet state, but our Han nation also has the right to protect our sovereign territory in that plateau .

If the westerners truly know what is happening under the PRC communist occupation regimen, they should be very clear that the most oppressed nation under that PRC occupation regime, is not the Tibet nation or any other nation under its control,but just our Han nation.

Our nation is being made the victim of genocide by the PRC occupation regime under the guise of "family planning”, our Han national culture and heritage are wiped by the evil communist who unlawfully impose Marxism and Leninism upon our nation, and as a matter of fact, our Han nation is fully "Marxized" under the so called " New China" ,an alien occupation regime.
Those sinister high crimes against our Han nation is surely more serious than those PRC occupation regime does toward Tibet nation.

So, for me ,the people supporting the Tibet independent activists has nothing to do with justice or human rights protection.

If the universal human rights must be protected under the PRC occupation regime, if the people in the west countries condemn and oppose all the evil violations of universal human values by PRC occupation Regime ,the oppression against our Han nation and the Tibet nation alike, by that evil occupation Regime ,that is valid and fair.

But if the west countries, falsely conceive that endorsing the Tibet independent activists is contributive to opposing the PRC communist occupation Regime, that conception is surely not valid, and more, that will not benefit the west countries.

That fateful false conception produced a strange irrelevance when the Nobel Peace Prize was presented to Dalai in 1989, after the evil PRC occupation Regime exposed its sinisterness in the world.
Our Freedom movement in 1989 had no relevance with Dalai, who perhaps never recognize that he is a part of us, the people fighting and sacrificing for freedom under the PRC occupation regimen.

For me, a Hanese, the Tibet people has nothing to do with our Han nation, except that the two nations all claim to have sovereign over the highest plateau of the world.

So, for me a Hanese , the Tibet issue does not involve any human rights, the core of Tibet issue is just interests, the conflict of two nations.
The conflict of our Han nation and the indigenous Tibet inhabitants, is just like the one between the European settlers and indigenous Indians in both America, just as the one between the Jews and the Arabs in the Palestinian.


So, the west countries are just outsiders in the Tibet issue, just as our Han nation is outsider in the Indians issue and the Palestinian issue.

For the first time, the west media is so widely opposed among our Han people, and that sentiment is utilized by the PRC occupation regimen to flame the anti-west propaganda ,and to cheat and fool maliciously most Han people to rally behind that occupation regimen, that is a sad thing .

And I hope that the west people to know the real difference between truth of China and label of China, and the do not recognize the “China Label” literally .That will benefit both our Han nation and the west world

BRO

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there are many Han youth today work together to restore our glory and way of life

please let me tell something to this two guy in Chines

我不知道楼上的两位是否是中国人，如果是，就不会把中华民族分成所谓的汉人和其他民族。
你不觉得你们的行经很可耻吗？呵呵，不过可能对你们来说，无所谓可耻不可耻的了，因为你们根本就不懂得什么叫“耻”
以后跳出来现眼，别扯上自己是中国人的招牌，明白吗？
尤其是xiajing，看得出来你在这论坛上很活跃，但是我不知道你的动机是什么，我也不想去揣测，只是你的行为让人觉得很恶心

That would be ideal to have peace and less power for the Dalai Llama with a peaceful Tibet, but what is it going to take for the people to rise up and throw the CCP out on its face? Also if we are fighting ideological wars for justice, does that mean that China would do something about the North Korean land of concentration camps and starvation?

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Originally posted by LiberationArmyFan:
please let me tell something to this two guy in Chines

我不知道楼上的两位是否是中国人，如果是，就不会把中华民族分成所谓的汉人和其他民族。
你不觉得你们的行经很可耻吗？呵呵，不过可能对你们来说，无所谓可耻不可耻的了，因为你们根本就不懂得什么叫“耻”
以后跳出来现眼，别扯上自己是中国人的招牌，明白吗？
尤其是xiajing，看得出来你在这论坛上很活跃，但是我不知道你的动机是什么，我也不想去揣测，只是你的行为让人觉得很恶心

the truth is different from your childish imagination , our people have right to make self-assertion . Son

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Originally posted by xiajing:

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Originally posted by LiberationArmyFan:
please let me tell something to this two guy in Chines

我不知道楼上的两位是否是中国人，如果是，就不会把中华民族分成所谓的汉人和其他民族。
你不觉得你们的行经很可耻吗？呵呵，不过可能对你们来说，无所谓可耻不可耻的了，因为你们根本就不懂得什么叫“耻”
以后跳出来现眼，别扯上自己是中国人的招牌，明白吗？
尤其是xiajing，看得出来你在这论坛上很活跃，但是我不知道你的动机是什么，我也不想去揣测，只是你的行为让人觉得很恶心

the truth is different from your childish imagination , our people have right to make self-assertion . Son

好吧，龟孙子
既然你那么不要脸，连自己祖宗是谁都不记得了，那就任由你去吧，呵呵，不过记得死之前提前烧纸，省得到时候没人惦记你这类渣滓。
噢，忘了问了，龟孙，中文还看得懂吧？

old american documentary shows tibet part of china

this is an old american documentary about wwII in china.that was decades before the people's republic of china.it proves that years before this republic,tibet was always being considered part of china by the international community.claims that tibet was invaded by PLA after 1949 is groundless.

guess those guys wouldnt know the music they chose to be played in the beginning of this documentary later on became the national anthem of the people's republic of china.at that time it was just a popular anti japanses war song.

american emblem shown with chinese national anthem,ha,what a combination.ha

check this documentary out
Why We Fight: "Battle of China (ca. 1944) 1/5

It doesn't matter if this is true, set in stone, or if it even part of your body and permanently attached.

You are dealing peoples that their sole motive is the separation of Tibet and China in a greater scheme things to weakening the power of China. This is just normal poolitical game like chess which every countries play. there is no moral, ethnic, or good/evil, just winners and losers.

Tibet issue was an excuse for bigger role that's happeneing. Every single country has that cooking in their backyard. whether that be tibet, china, taiwan, france, england, oil, iraq, isreal, religion, money........etc

It isn't just that we want to compete with China. I really don't care if China becomes the most powerful country in the world - just that my country is safe, free, and self sufficient. A lot of people support Tibet just because they need to be passionate about something, and it isn't socially acceptable among the effete and educated to support the fight against Al Qaeda childkillers, so they pretend to be brave by shouting "Free Tibet." Those people don't know what they are talking about on any subject - that's why they are leftists. On the other hand, you have people who are justifiably angry with China for possibly giving weapons to our enemy, sending us poisoned pet food, poisoned toys, poisoned toothpaste, taunting us by referring to Korean War prisoners they may still have, and threatening our ally on Taiwan. Of course there are also human rights abuses in China itself, and people look at Tibet and think that they are seeing another Prague uprising.


I'd as soon shoot the Dalai Lama in the face as I would a terrorist, but see how the PRC has acted as our enemy in every way, what do you expect that people here would think?

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Originally posted by LiberationArmyFan:
please let me tell something to this two guy in Chines

我不知道楼上的两位是否是中国人，如果是，就不会把中华民族分成所谓的汉人和其他民族。
你不觉得你们的行经很可耻吗？呵呵，不过可能对你们来说，无所谓可耻不可耻的了，因为你们根本就不懂得什么叫“耻”
以后跳出来现眼，别扯上自己是中国人的招牌，明白吗？
尤其是xiajing，看得出来你在这论坛上很活跃，但是我不知道你的动机是什么，我也不想去揣测，只是你的行为让人觉得很恶心

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就你也配谈“耻” ，我这个汉人不仅要分清出我们汉族与所谓的伪中华民族，还分清楚汉族跟大东亚民族。既然你愿意当伪中华民族的顺民，也就没有理由反对和族人统一汉族，组建大东亚民族。那时，伪中华民族的顺民，肯定又来充当“民族融合”先锋。这样，你会大大的有耻，有耻大大的。那时，可能对你来说，无所谓可耻不可耻的了。

以后窜出来现眼，先分清楚所谓的伪中华民族是什么东西。别跟我说你是汉人，你这种所谓的汉人，跟汉奸一样，才是极其恶心。

如果你们所谓的“中国”，就是霸占大汉江山的中华人民共和国，那我告诉你，我的祖先是大汉帝国臣民，是大唐帝国臣民，是大明国臣民，是中华民国公民，他们可都不是你们的“中国人” 因为他们没有中华人民共和国的国籍，而是汉人。我这个汉人，从来没有忘记这个事实。

如果你不是汉人，而只是中华人民共和国人，那汉唐宋明跟你没有关系，那是我们汉人的历史，你们这些中华人民共和国“中国人”跟汉唐宋明的关系，就如同现在霸占埃及的阿拉伯人跟埃及的关系一样，别动不动就什么盛唐，做人要有“耻”，别无耻啊。

如果你是有汉血统的“中国人”，你愿意认铁木真以及清国的癌锌厥裸酋长这些“ 中国人”，当你的“中国”祖宗，那是你的事情。你当你的“中国人”，那就任由你去吧，呵呵，不过记得死之前提前烧纸，省得到时候没人惦记你这类渣滓。

说多军队，我对我们民族的普通军人是敬重的，但是，对沦为红色党卫军，`沦为鹰犬而为害人民的PLA，制造大屠杀的PLA，则是仇恨厌恶的。

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Originally posted by Thrust_0311:
On the other hand, you have people who are justifiably angry with China for possibly giving weapons to our enemy, sending us poisoned pet food, poisoned toys, poisoned toothpaste, taunting us by referring to Korean War prisoners they may still have, and threatening our ally on Taiwan. Of course there are also human rights abuses in China itself, and people look at Tibet and think that they are seeing another Prague uprising.


I'd as soon shoot the Dalai Lama in the face as I would a terrorist, but see how the PRC has acted as our enemy in every way, what do you expect that people here would think?

I have to admit that you still can not understand the true meaning of China。
Put simply，the PRC occupation regime in china，is like Third reich in Germany，and Soviet in russia land。
As to weapon ，for me ，the concern is not if the sale is to the like/dislike of US，the concern is if the sale is beneficial to us and if the sale is made in accepted codes。

As to poisoned pet food, poisoned toys, poisoned toothpaste, you have to admit the truth that the PRC occupation regime output the best products in cheapest price，and leave the worst to its citizens。

As to Korean War prisoners，I have no comment，for i know nothing about it。

As to threatening our ally on Taiwan，for me ，I oppose the PRC threatening REPUBLIC OF CHINA，but it is our right to make Taiwan island contribute to our nation，and NOT to any other country，whether or not taiwan is ally of other side。

As to “people look at Tibet and think that they are seeing another Prague uprising.”
how strange that this kind people think that way？
if they think that way ，then I nave to see the fighting between Indians and White settlers as precedent Prague uprising

As“see how the PRC has acted as our enemy in every way, what do you expect that people here would think?”
If you truly know PRC，you will know that PRC regime will give you all you what at the price you please，of course at the expense of our nation， if US do not up hold up the human universal values，and stop condemn PRC regime。
and that is just why i like US and american people and hate the Russia，because the PRC too ，has acted as our enemy in every way，and that is why the PRC will always fool its citizens and flame anti-american propaganda。

I really don't care what China does to Tibet and the lot of its child molesting monks. People who support Taiwan have, in the cases I've ever heard, supported the idea of free China (KMT), not the Taiwanese ethnicity. At the same time I care about the rights of those people. My own idea puts me in a weird position on this: I am kind of fringe even here in America, because I believe that secession is a right, as long as there is a legitimite grievance and a new government is formed with the interests of its people in mind. If Tibet is claiming more than its fare share of land then obviously it's no good, but if not, what other reason is there to stop them besides largesse?

There is no excuse for giving us poisoned products and I don't see a real benefit to this crash-expansion that costs the lives of thousands of coal miners and other workers. Change is good but it can't be forced and done at an unreasonable pace. If China wants to be a trading partner it's one thing, but to become powerful at any cost is another, and suggestive of some kind of aggression.