China Military to Tour U.S. Bases

Associated Press | October 30, 2006
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HONOLULU - A Chinese military delegation will begin a five-day tour of U.S. military installations in Hawaii and California on Monday and meet with senior U.S. officers in the latest step to repair military ties between the two countries.

About 30 midlevel military commanders in the People's Liberation Army, including division and brigade commanders, will visit U.S. Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii, tour a guided missile destroyer in San Diego and observe Marine training at Camp Pendleton, Calif.

It is the third such visit by Chinese military officers since the countries agreed last October to increase military exchanges.

U.S. military officials say the visits foster understanding between the militaries, which have shared a frosty relationship since a U.S. spy plane and Chinese fighter jet collided off China's coast in April 2001.

"It's a great opportunity for us to talk directly with PLA officers, with senior, mid-grade PLA commanders," said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Roger Cavazos, senior China country director at the U.S. Pacific Command.

"It's that direct interaction, that direct contact that really helps us allay mutual suspicions and move forward with this process of engaging and dealing more with the PLA," he said.

The delegation is expected to tour the USS Preble in San Diego and observer a demonstration of an amphibious assault vehicle and weapons simulation training at Camp Pendleton.

U.S. officials, not wanting to show their counterparts too many U.S. military capabilities, denied Chinese requests to tour an active U.S. aircraft carrier and see the Army's newest troop transporter, the Stryker armored vehicle.

China showed a U.S. military delegation that visited the country in March antiquated planes and ships dating to the late 1960s and early 1970s.

"I won't say they're open; I won't say they're anywhere near being open," Cavazos said. "I will say the trend is positive."

U.S. critics of the engagement strategy say the United States is baring itself to Chinese examination without obtaining similar access to Chinese facilities and equipment in return.

But Adm. William J. Fallon, the Pacific Command commander, said U.S. officers need the interaction to better understand one of the world's most rapidly growing economic and military powers, and said he expects China to reciprocate.

The delegation is expected to visit the decommissioned battleship Missouri and the sunken battleship USS Arizona during its tour.

Why boycott? Do you know how much money we make off the Chinese? Do you know what type of influance westerrn culture has there? I have been there. I stayed there for two weeks away from the "tourist" Cities. I was IN China. I was followed yea come on a westerner with a big *** bright yellow jacket? I would follow me too. You people dont get it. We need to do something to ease the tentions and stop this generation after generation of mistrust.
The US has been called the protectors of freedom and democracy and we help keep regions stable. Dont you think it would easy the US finacial burdens by befrinding the Chinese and have them help us stabalize hot areas??
I think that anyone that says China is our enemy does not know there self very well. YOU are your own worst enemy. Dont let there closed society blind you to your own mistrusts and stop this cycle of bigots.( if you dont know the deffenition of Bigot please look it up.)

Doesn't our government care about our security? We gave weapons to Iraq in the 80's and look where that got us! You can't sell weapons, technology, intellegence, or train other countries and their armies. We'll end up fighting them someday. These people who sell this stuff should be hung for treason!!! and our government should be investigated for allowing money to be made on this black market. I love our country but we won't have a country if money is the bottom line to highest bidder!

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I think that anyone that says China is our enemy does not know there self very well.

I would not call them an "enemy" quite yet...but they're definitely not an ally either. Plus, they have always differed with us on how to handle international problems like North Korea (who the Chicoms have supported and encouraged to be a regional 'paria') and Iran (who they seem to believe is 'benevolent' and should be left alone to develope nukes)...and I won't even bring up how they have taken advantage of the US in trade matters, even after we've voted to allow them permenant trade status.

Giving them access to our state of the art military bases is not prudent IMO, especially when all they give us access to is antique military museums.

sgt schlappy,
which BRANCH OF THE KKK do you belong?
i'm sick of you anti-asian retards that's in both the civilian and military sector including those in politics.

the chinese and russians are customers of oil in iran, they don't give a crap about iran, just the oil. We're buddy buddies with the ARABS in saudi arabia cause of oil, BUT THOSE DICTATORS want us DEAD AND TAKEN OVER!

BOYCOTT RACISTS LIKE YOU AND MUSLIMS, ILLEGAL MEXICANS AND BLACK PANTHER BLACKS... those are far more of a threat to the U.S. and the real enemies besides KKK type like yourself.

Very easy to pick on the quiet asians.
By the way your allied JAPANESE tried to exterminate every asian there is in world war 2.
Do you know how many million chinese, korean, pacific islanders that was murdered by the japanese?
When did china ever conquered a WESTERN NATION idiots!
They have been victims for ages...chinese americans got it worst than BLACKS building the railroad tracks as slaves in KKK land...

The chinese nor koreans are never the enemy it's racists like those who make them as the ENEMY like some politicians, journalist and military idiots!
THAT'S WHAT

Thanks for sharing your opinion scout...you've just proven that chirons aren't the only clueless idiots who visit these boards.

Anyone with half a brain cell...(yourself excluded of course)...can see the growing 'threat' posed by China.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion scout...you've just proven that chirons aren't the only clueless idiots who visit these boards.

Anyone with half a brain cell...(yourself excluded of course)...can see the growing 'threat' posed by China.

you just don't get the chinese culture, unlike western their culture is base on not to interfere with neighbors business. if i don't like someone/think hes threat/badmouth about him, and that person know this, do u think that person will become ur friend? when u treat someone as threat in the beginning, they will become threat eventually, and they will treat u as threat too, unless they are idiots.

OK I expect to get blasted but, having lived in the PRC. I really don't think that we have a damn thing to worry about. Frankly I think thePRC needs a really good look at the OUTSIDE of our technology, such that they have a really good grasp of capability. I saw the capability the Chinese have in manufacturing, and unless strict controls were in place the products they made sucked. And again, those products manufactured with outside tech were good, the Chinese had serious issues implementing technology. Likewise the military structure is not unlike that of the former Soviet Union. Cut off the head, the body dies. I also found that while the Peoples Army is a large organization, it is rather poorly equipt for the most part, with outdated technology, and equipment.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Schlappy:
Thanks for sharing your opinion scout...you've just proven that chirons aren't the only clueless idiots who visit these boards.

Anyone with half a brain cell...(yourself excluded of course)...can see the growing 'threat' posed by China.

you just don't get the chinese culture, unlike western their culture is base on not to interfere with neighbors business.

Oh, you mean like Tibet?

tibet is just like taiwan they consider as chinese property. what i mean is they don't want put their nose into issues in other country unless it affect china.

Sorry to say but Taiwan has a good chance too late to free Tibet...

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tibet is just like taiwan they consider as chinese property. what i mean is they don't want put their nose into issues in other country unless it affect china.

The Chicoms see many of their neighbors as being wayward property...that's the problem.

not really, taiwan has always been chinese territory since the beginning, so its natural for them to think it belong to china. tibet also been consider as chinesee territory for many dynasty, after all the tibet always make tributes to almost all the chinese dynasty in the history of china. so china always consider it as a colony control by china. you don't see china consider napel, and other neighbor as its territory

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you don't see china consider napel, and other neighbor as its territory

We most definitely do!!!

yeah well, with ur mind set you probably consider china want to take europe too.

Eventually, yes...but not in our lifetime.

China still has all of Asia and the Middle East to conquer first.

U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Tours China

By AUDRA ANG
Associated Press Writer
Published November 13, 2006, 4:18 PM CST
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BEIJING -- The commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet began a visit to China on Monday in a trip aimed at strengthening ties between the two navies and gaining insight into the Asian power's military buildup.

Adm. Gary Roughead was scheduled to meet with China's military officials and help plan a Nov. 19 search-and-rescue exercise, the second half of a two-part operation that began in the United States.

"The thrust of our discussions will really be in how our navies can gain a better understanding of one another," said Roughead, who was visiting China the first time since taking the post.

He also told reporters he "really would like to know what the intent is in some of the developments" he's seen in the navy of the 2.3 million strong People's Liberation Army, the world's largest.

Those include an expanding submarine fleet and procurement of ships that can operate far beyond China's shores, he said.

"I look forward to having discussions on what the vision is and perhaps what some of the operating doctrine might be," Roughead said.

The PLA has been criticized for its lack of transparency about its buildup. In the past, Beijing has spent heavily on adding submarines, jet fighters and other high-tech weapons to its arsenal, which despite its size, lags well behind those of other major nations.

Its reported 2006 budget is $35.3 billion, compared with $532.8 billion in defense spending signed by President Bush for 2007, but analysts believe the true figure is several times higher.

One of the apparent goals is building up China's ability to back up threats to attack Taiwan, the self-ruled island that the communist Beijing government claims as its own territory.

The two sides split during civil war in 1949 and China has threatened war if Taiwan takes steps toward formal independence.

Visits between the Chinese and American militaries dropped off after the collision of a U.S. spy plane and a Chinese fighter jet off China's coast in 2001.

Relations have been improving recently as U.S. leaders cautiously seek to increase exchanges and better understand China's rapidly modernizing military.

The top U.S. Pacific commander, Adm. William Fallon, has visited China three times since taking office about 18 months ago to boost contacts and reduce the potential for miscalculations.

In September, two Chinese navy ships stopped in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, then on to San Diego for the first part of the search-and-rescue exercise that will end this week in southern China.

The Nov. 19 mission off the island province of Hainan is still being planned, Roughead said. It will involve 400 Navy personnel from the USS Juneau.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Schlappy:
Eventually, yes...but not in our lifetime.

China still has all of Asia and the Middle East to conquer first.

i don't know where u get the idea on china=soviet. but good thing not everyone in US are like you, else we would be going to war with china already, and millions will die. I talk to a eurpean the other day, and they seem to think US want to dominate the world due the fact US continously goto war around the global. when was the last time china goto war?

I think China wants to become more like the EU/US, economically and militarily.

Some possible outcomes:

Step one- they use economic power to leverage military improvement (testing those military improvements will involve more cold-war like activities; example: the recent shadowing of Carrier group by Song class sub). They also use economic power to tie themselves to others so that there is less resistance to thier plans.

Step two- Regional military expansion/domination/supremacy. The Chinese want to develop a defensive capability that can repel a modern force successfully. They also want to become the next world power to offset EU and US globalization efforts.

Step three- After military strength is demonstrably improved, Taiwan re-integrates by force or otherwise.

Step four- Possible land grab (population reasons).

The Chinese view Taiwan as a rogue province and are determined to bring it back into the fold. They also resent US influence in the western Pacific, which they view as their "rice bowl" and intend to challenge our dominance when they become strong enough. Needless to say, the other Asian nations don't trust China any more than we do. This has nothing to do with race. I suggest reading "The Coming War With China".