Recently:
1) China taps into national security computer network of the USA.
2) The USA mistakenly (perhaps an excuse) for on the ready flys 6 nuclear warheads a few states, without no reason.
3) China acquires missiles that can shoot a satellite from space.
4) And, now the USA is worried that China is building more airforce.
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This to me sounds like the introduction to a "SOAP OPERA" where the USA will be too backed up with IRAQ and incapable to defend USA territory, giving an opportunity for CHINA to invade or send sorties to attack.

Yeah right, there is no way China would be able to come all the way over here and invade us. Their military is more defensive. They would inflict massive causalities just GETTING here.

Besides thats, theres no way a war would break out between us. Our economies are too tied to each other. China gets products and business from us (notice how many products say made in China for example). They also are huge investors in the American economy, just like we are for theirs. Tons of international busniesses are American and Chinese based. Corporate enterprises would create huge pressure on both governments to avert from war if anything did happen. Not to mention, any country with half a brain would not start a war when both sides have nukes.

China, while not our friendliest of allies, is certainly not an enemy. We are economic partners, and they have taken our back on many situations. Infact, I would say Russia and China seem to be our only "friends" on that side of the world (not taking into account Europe and UAE).

Fact of the matter is, China may be building their military, and showing off its power, but we have been doing the same thing for a longer time. We send our Carriers around the world just to make us look good. I wouldn't worry too much about China.

I agreed with Guru's assessment. I doubt there would be a war with China before there is a mini-war in middle-east (iran and other muslim countries).

The only way, I see China and US fight, it would be over Taiwan. But, even a die-hard pro-taiwan Bush wouldn't support Taiwan's recent even with joining the UN. Which suggested that China-US both value "money" over anything.

Those who want US and China to fight, need to consider this. USSR and USA were 10 times more intense than China-US relationship today. They didn't fight, you still think they would now with China?

China's military history is the story of proxy war - they would have sided with whoever won the Cold War gone Hot, or whoever appeared to be winning. The Soviets would have invaded us if they possibly could have, and the Chinese have too many men and ARE building the world's biggest navy, even as our Admirals are scrapping both manhood in the navy and the ships. China is waiting for us to look beaten enough and then maybe they'll take what they want. China of today is Japan of the 1920's. We are weaker than we were in the 30's, and the world would have no second thoughts about killing all our people on imagined war crimes. Japan and Germany want revenge, everyone else wants a piece for their own reasons (real or imagined), and the pigs in the Government would give it to them as long as they could continue to live comfortably. National resistance to all of these elements is America's only choice. That always has been our greatest strength: our middle class.

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Originally posted by Thrust_0311:
China's military history is the story of proxy war - they would have sided with whoever won the Cold War gone Hot, or whoever appeared to be winning. The Soviets would have invaded us if they possibly could have, and the Chinese have too many men and ARE building the world's biggest navy, even as our Admirals are scrapping both manhood in the navy and the ships. China is waiting for us to look beaten enough and then maybe they'll take what they want. China of today is Japan of the 1920's. We are weaker than we were in the 30's, and the world would have no second thoughts about killing all our people on imagined war crimes. Japan and Germany want revenge, everyone else wants a piece for their own reasons (real or imagined), and the pigs in the Government would give it to them as long as they could continue to live comfortably. National resistance to all of these elements is America's only choice. That always has been our greatest strength: our middle class.

I would have to disagree with you. How much do you know about China to claim their "history is all about proxy war"?

-WW2?
-Korea war?
-Viet War?

How about naming the all the dynasties? and how each war were fought in those eras?
If revenge is what's on "China" mind, then US wouldn't have to worry about anything. Japan would be the first target, and since US helped China push back the Japanese, it should be worry free, right?

It's different when any nation in the world is concern about another country's military strength and might versus one stating that it would invade another counrty for sure.

US is holding a contest in CA this week for unmen vehicle control by robot. Should that alarm the right wing?

"oh no! US is mass producing robots for future wars. so now they can dominate the world!"

When one is looking at a narrow scope in china based on one element. it certainly would give you that image. it is like 4 blind person trying to tell what does an elephant look like.

I think this country needs to put more money inside and improve itself instead of putting them in war.

Do you know how many children today without healthcare? or proper education? In another 25 years or so, almost every scientists would be a foreign born.

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Originally posted by Thrust_0311:
China's military history is the story of proxy war - they would have sided with whoever won the Cold War gone Hot, or whoever appeared to be winning. The Soviets would have invaded us if they possibly could have, and the Chinese have too many men and ARE building the world's biggest navy, even as our Admirals are scrapping both manhood in the navy and the ships. China is waiting for us to look beaten enough and then maybe they'll take what they want. China of today is Japan of the 1920's. We are weaker than we were in the 30's, and the world would have no second thoughts about killing all our people on imagined war crimes. Japan and Germany want revenge, everyone else wants a piece for their own reasons (real or imagined), and the pigs in the Government would give it to them as long as they could continue to live comfortably. National resistance to all of these elements is America's only choice. That always has been our greatest strength: our middle class.

i think history show us doesn't matter where u are, our entire history are fill with wars. from greece period all the way to current period. China doesn't want a war with US, so does the US. It will damage both economy etc. the middle east however is more troublesome.

I'm not so much worried about them being impenetrable, as I am with the segment of our population that would welcome them coming and taking over here. Our biggest enemy is the socialist movement, and the lengths they will go to, in order to acheive their goals domestically.
These people loathe our own Military, and find every excuse possible to fund anything else.
We need to cease the Base closures, and Troop cutbacks. We need to WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT our troops. Scrutinization of any media that is even seemingly socialist in its reporting is essential, if we are to continue as the Country that our Founding Fathers envisioned and risked so much to give us.

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I would have to disagree with you. How much do you know about China to claim their "history is all about proxy war"?

-WW2?
-Korea war?
-Viet War?

The CCP certainly showed its preference for letting two rivals fight each other in WW2. That is the reason that the CCP wasn't annihilated - they fought in few of the battles against Japan. You can read the history of proxy wars going back 2000 years. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's just the preferred strategy. That is why they allow North Korea to exist and keep sending escapees back to be worked to death: they want to put a show of good relations while condemning them at the same time, so that they can use them as a saber to rattle.

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How about naming the all the dynasties? and how each war were fought in those eras?
If revenge is what's on "China" mind, then US wouldn't have to worry about anything. Japan would be the first target, and since US helped China push back the Japanese, it should be worry free, right?

You yourself talk about America's involvment in the coalition of eight over a hundred years ago. Leftist professors in America still rail against us for the Opium war and I don't doubt that the Chinese propagandists do the same. Revenge doesn't have to make sense in order for it to make good agitation propaganda.

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It's different when any nation in the world is concern about another country's military strength and might versus one stating that it would invade another counrty for sure.

US is holding a contest in CA this week for unmen vehicle control by robot. Should that alarm the right wing?

"oh no! US is mass producing robots for future wars. so now they can dominate the world!"

When one is looking at a narrow scope in china based on one element. it certainly would give you that image. it is like 4 blind person trying to tell what does an elephant look like.

I think this country needs to put more money inside and improve itself instead of putting them in war.

Do you know how many children today without healthcare? or proper education? In another 25 years or so, almost every scientists would be a foreign born.

How are we supposed to help ourselves when we are selling everything we have, including our workforce, to China in exchange for cheap goods? Healthcare requires a population that works, and if we don't do our own work, then we shouldn't have healthcare. It's pretty simple: someone has to pay for it. Non workers don't deserve air or water, let alone healthcare.
I would be concerned about China's increasingly powerful military because its only logical purpose is to project their power, and our ally in Taiwan is right in the way of that military machine. Maybe I want peace but I see that we are projecting an image of weakness, as that is what sells, and the crows are gathering. The CCP is an immoral government and they wouldn't hesitate to take everything from us if they thought they could.
Of course a good war may be what we need to wake up: The idiot stoners would join the invader and that would be an excuse to kill them and pay them back for their 40 years of treason and crimes against humanity.

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I'm not so much worried about them being impenetrable, as I am with the segment of our population that would welcome them coming and taking over here. Our biggest enemy is the socialist movement, and the lengths they will go to, in order to acheive their goals domestically.

I agree. China isn't our #1 enemy and neither is North Korea or even the Islamic World. The chief enemy of the nation are the spoiled children (however old the hippies get, they are still infantile) who degrade the country. Those sickos are worse than nazis and are enemy number 1.