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Should be very interesting over the next 10-15 years once the PLAN has the capability to patrol the straits itself...

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Ian Storey, a scholar at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, calls the South China Sea policy "China’s Malacca Dilemma."

On one hand, Beijing claims the waters from the island of Hainan south to the Indonesian island of Natuna as an internal sea, and has suggested that the United States withdraw from the region. A Chinese admiral suggested that the US and China split the Pacific, with China controlling the western half and the US moving to the east. Keating immediately stated explicitly that the US was in Asia to stay. On the other hand, China’s Navy, while modernizing, is still not strong enough to enforce its claim to the South China Sea and to ensure that the strait remains open for the ships plying the China trade and bringing in the bulk of the nation’s oil imports.

"At present, China lacks the naval power necessary to protect its sea-lanes," Storey wrote. "Beijing fears that during a national security crisis ships carrying energy resources could be interdicted by hostile naval forces. Any disruption to the free flow of energy resources into China could derail the economic growth on which the Chinese government depends to shore up its legitimacy and pursue its great power ambitions."

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Thus, China has "a vested interest in the elimination of transnational threats in the waterway," said Storey, "yet Beijing remains uneasy at the prospect of a greater role for external powers in securing the strait."

Some Chinese analysts have accused Washington and Tokyo of "using the threat of terrorism" as "a pretext to expand their naval presence in and around the strait." The Chinese have watched with concern as India has enhanced its presence in the area, especially the modernization of military facilities on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands at the strait’s northwest terminus.

Some in the Chinese commentariat have demonstrated worries that have "bordered on the paranoid," Storey said. One Chinese newspaper, he observed, recently condemned US Indonesia military cooperation as "targeting China" and aiming at "controlling China’s avenue of approach to the Pacific."

US strategy is to rely on Southeast Asian nations to take the lead in protecting the waterways. The supporting role of the US ranges from providing equipment and training, combined exercises, bilateral exchanges, ship visits, multilateral conferences, and planning sessions, to medical and humanitarian assistance.

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To a small correction to your essay , In order to get hold of CHina or taiwan Japan and Korea , the easiest way is just to cut down their energy transportation route , that way you can subjugate them all . But just to get hold of malacaa straight is not enough , you need both Malacca and singapore stright , the main ciziten of singapore is chinese genetically . Thus they are unlikely to assit Us for the purpose to damage their close kin .

Thus In this reason I highly doubt the idea for contain China with the strategy of control malacca straight is wise.

I think it is important to notice that Us does have the ambition to be the world's only hagamon power , secrure and control all water path , and straight is evidence .
 
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To control the Strait...(which the US could do without any assistance if it decided to)...is enough to cause severe strain on China's industrial base.

The only saving grace for China, unfortunately, is that it would equally affect the US economy.

My scenario is ONLY an option should China press the issue of territorial claims with military force.


 
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To a small correction to your essay , In order to get hold of CHina or taiwan Japan and Korea , the easiest way is just to cut down their energy transportation route , that way you can subjugate them all . But just to get hold of malacaa straight is not enough , you need both Malacca and singapore stright , the main ciziten of singapore is chinese genetically . Thus they are unlikely to assit Us for the purpose to damage their close kin .

Thus In this reason I highly doubt the idea for contain China with the strategy of control malacca straight is wise.

I think it is important to notice that Us does have the ambition to be the world's only hagamon power , secrure and control all water path , and straight is evidence .



I can confidently say you're wrong about that. Yes, the majority of Singaporeans are ethnic Chinese, but a vast majority them do not identify themselves with China anymore than a Malay Singaporean would, especially the younger generations.

The United States has also been a very good ally of Singapore, loaning an F-117 when Malaysia threatened to attack many years ago. Bi-lateral military exercises are also conducted quite regularly between the two nations. Even if the government finds it difficult to choose, public sentiment will most likely favor the U.S unless it does something horribly stupid.
 
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not since the bush adminstration messed up everything.
 
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First of all, for those of you interested in the article, I strongly suggest that you read teh whole thing and not his exerpt, as he is distorting story.

If anything US is actually watching and keeping an close eye on those islamic nations.

malay and indon would be two major players and they aren't seeing US eye to eye at this point.

if you are dreaming of China vs US, you better off playing a video game then in your lifetime.

look what iraq and a***, two small and weak nations are given US headaches then they asked for. Think about China with nukes.

US can try to contain China, but the sleeping giant is waking up very soon.
 
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We're going to need more bags and a bigger scooper for that load...


 
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just open your mouth. the stuff going in and out of your mouth are the same thing.
 
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Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!!!


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honestly , i dont want to see US and CHina go toe to toe with each other , firstly I like US and AMerican culture , second the collison between two nuclear power is unthinkable for our homo sapiens , third it will do harm to the balance of power in the world , acutally , I think it is cool to maintain the statues quo .

The world is a great place , unless some azzhole want to gradually trying to get hold of everything
 
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The key word is balance. no matter how good US is and would be. Everyone needed check and balance. That's why our founding fathers has implemented this and one of the unique features that we have and made us strong.

we needed this not only domestically but also in foreign power/policy. So we can guarantee there will not be another iraq war.

we need countries/union to stand toe to toe with us, so it keeps us in check and not come to our own dismise.
 
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Complacency, over-indulgence and corruption will be our demise.

No one wants the U.S and China to go to war, except maybe for those crazy Arabs.

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On one hand, Beijing claims the waters from the island of Hainan south to the Indonesian island of Natuna as an internal sea, and has suggested that the United States withdraw from the region. A Chinese admiral suggested that the US and China split the Pacific, with China controlling the western half and the US moving to the east.


But really, the way the Chinese made this sound. It's as if only China and the U.S are the only nations around. Never mind the sovereignty of the others where most of strait runs through. I can say it would be pretty insulting thing to a citizen from one of those countries.
 
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The reality is, it does sound harsh, but US has no regard to other nation's sovereignty anyway.

China was directing this to US, as "US" was an outsider to the area. it just a territorial challenge and don't take it seriously. it happens all the time when admirals of two nations throwing their weights around.
 
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The reality is, it does sound harsh, but US has no regard to other nation's sovereignty anyway.

That is an idotic comment, but then, look at the source. Roll Eyes


 
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Everyone should know that personal remarks and insults are NO-GO.
Stay on topic, and knock off the craptalk, please.


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The reality is, it does sound harsh, but US has no regard to other nation's sovereignty anyway.

That is an idotic comment, but then, look at the source. Roll Eyes



I tend to look at the fact instead.
 
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"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein
 
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Originally posted by onibattousai:
The reality is, it does sound harsh, but US has no regard to other nation's sovereignty anyway.

That is an idotic comment, but then, look at the source. Roll Eyes


I don't know what I like more when I read this section of military.com- Sgt. Schlappy's witty comebacks or Oni "tripping"/reacting all the time to him. Big Grin
 
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Respecting each others point of view would go a long way on this or any other forum.

I for one don't think that the Chinese want a physical confrontation with the US for at least the next ten years. After which, all bets are off and they become one of the greatest economic powers alongside India.

Oil and other minerals are vital to China's growth. Without them it would cut their growth short. However there is a fine line between aggression on our part or the Chinese. They are not as stupid as Al Quada, Hamas, or Hebollah. they won't directly confront us. They want peace because it benefits them at this time. We owe them more money than you can ever imagine and when they call in their mark for payment, we will squeal like a pig. We have to cut back on our chinese trade and get our debt under control.

Meanwhile take a pick to the west of China and I think Russia can't be ruled out of the picture as of this date. They are modernizing their military just as fast as the chinese and keeping it silent. Once again, human intel is needed to know about these nations and their strategic plans. They definitely don't include us as the single world power.

Oh come on guys, drop the chips from your shoulders and let's discuss this topic like intelligent adults. It would make this site a lot more informative and a joy to surf.

De Oppresso Liber!!!!! God Bless the USA!!!
 
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when they call in their mark for payment, we will squeal like a pig

Actually, this is one of the biggest misnomers out there...don't forget that it is America who buys the majority of their products.

Ever hear the phrase: cut off your nose to spite your face?

The Chicoms will eventually make a military move for Taiwan or for control of the straits...that's when the sheet will hit the fan. Prediction: sometie between 2010-2012


 
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