Mr . Thrust 0311 , you had refereed that the name of CHina and Chinese , thats the common name of westerner call our people now days , you had advocate that it is beginns from qin dynasty ( the manchuarain dynasty ) ,the similar pronunciation gives the westerner the idea to call China .

As matter of fact , i have did some study . And found out the truce . Actually China is not derived from qin manchurian dynasty , it is from the ancient hindi ( not the language of indains today , their ancestors's)

They call the chinese people , the ( mohosina) , mohosina in ancient hindi means the intelligent people . The anicent greek call the chinese ( salise ) , and so on . China is derived from the ancient hindi ( mohosina ) , firstly foreinger had made (mohosina ) into short word (sina ) and as time goes by somehow it become as the way sound it today (CHINA ) , in fact Chinese only means the Han people . The ancient indian had shown great revernce towards our people .

Second is that , as matter of fact ,since the era of Roman empire , Roman had send some messneger towards The Han empire of CHina , this is the first contact between these two great empire , althoug the culture exchange did not occur during that time , but Han empire is aware of romans .

Second is that futher correction to your misunderstandg , The western culture had enter and eventually floursher in china more than thousand years ago , chiristianity had geminates in china even as early as TANG , you can still seen the tablet of chiristanity in todays chinese city XI_AN , it is more than thoudsand years old .

Acutally our had showned oepn and amicable attitude towards western civilisation and the culture of the rest of people (indian , Persian , and so on )

it is the manchurain , foolishness who refuse to intake and reject forengin culutre .

and last I like to correct your last error is that , the pigtailed manchu , or this so called manchu qin empire has nothing to sdo with chinese people .

THe manchu had blantaly said to foreigin embassdor , their thier purpose is to put end towards chinese civilisation , and all the chinese will adopt manchu custom ( pigtailed hair style , ugly manchu cloth and so on , )

in fact , it is a culture vandalism and forful racial assimilation that occured during the Qin manchurian dynasty .

I just like to clarified to those misunderstanding between the westerner and our people the real chinese people , and break away from the lies and delusion concort by some devious people .

I welcome for your reply

KInd regard

Xiajing

I know that "China" comes from a transliteration of "Qing" but that is what the government asks to be called in the international forum of the UN: People's Republic of China.

Thats kinda weird , I looked over histroic record and find the word "sina" has been around as early as 1000AD , and china is derived from the ancient hindi (mohosina) , acutally , westerner was getting the idea from that .

And dont buy what PRC sadis , they dont really represnet our people

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Originally posted by Thrust_0311:
I know that "China" comes from a transliteration of "Qing" but that is what the government asks to be called in the international forum of the UN: People's Republic of China.

Thrust,

You mean, the word "China" is actually a transliteration of the "Qin" Dynasty(秦朝), not the "Qing" Dynasty (清朝) as you said, since the two are two different Dynasties altogether and are represented by two different characters. The Qin Dynasty (221-206 BC) was the first dynasty to unite China under one emperor (Qin Shi Huang Di), while the Qing Dynasty (1644-1912 AD) was the last dynasty and was actually one composed of foreigners called Manchus/Man-zu who made the Chinese they subjugated from 1644-1912 wear the symbolic Chinese queue or pigtail hairstyle to distinguish the regular Han Chinese from themselves.

does it even matter?

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Originally posted by onibattousai:
does it even matter?

Of course it does , dont you think the pigtailed manchurian alread tainted and made bad impression of chinese , as they were try to steal our name .

The world should all aware the difference between our CHinese people and savage invade , the culture vandel manchurian

Well I'm sorry if it offends you but that doesn't mean that I'm racially prejudiced against the Chinese/Hans/whatever. Besides there are over forty races inside of China, just like in the US. I don't like people referring to the US as a single entity and for that matter, I don't know why we are named after Amerigo Vespucci and not John Smith (who established Jamestown) but that's how it's written down, so that's what we call it.

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Originally posted by Enssantor:

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Originally posted by Thrust_0311:
I know that "China" comes from a transliteration of "Qing" but that is what the government asks to be called in the international forum of the UN: People's Republic of China.

Thrust,

You mean, the word "China" is actually a transliteration of the "Qin" Dynasty(秦朝), not the "Qing" Dynasty (清朝) as you said, since the two are two different Dynasties altogether and are represented by two different characters. The Qin Dynasty (221-206 BC) was the first dynasty to unite China under one emperor (Qin Shi Huang Di), while the Qing Dynasty (1644-1912 AD) was the last dynasty and was actually one composed of foreigners called Manchus/Man-zu who made the Chinese they subjugated from 1644-1912 wear the symbolic Chinese queue or pigtail hairstyle to distinguish the regular Han Chinese from themselves.

There is truth in your saying , just compare this two

Manchurian , the qing dynasty



Chinese the qin empire



there are very distinctive difference between two civilisation

OMG, please spare us this Han Chinese thing will ya?

Stop making this into a second America where people are crying out loud for injustice due to the color of their skins.

Actually I want to major in East Asian history but I've got no dog in this fight. I don't hate any of them just the ones who oppress the people, like North Korea, the CCP, etc.

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Originally posted by onibattousai:
OMG, please spare us this Han Chinese thing will ya?

Stop making this into a second America where people are crying out loud for injustice due to the color of their skins.

actually bataosai sama you were wrong , machurian do not deserved the name of chinese , manchu cheif had balantly said he wont to put full stop of chinese way of life , thats why he had forced chinese people adopt their manchu custom , ( pig tail , manchurian cloth ) or that , in fact the manchu had been our opporessor and tormoentor for hundreds of years , why shall our brothers being silient of this , why we leting our oppressor to deluding the people of the world . the truth is manchurian is not chinese , they always had and want to destory chinese culture . If you know the history, you will aware of this . Why can our continue our way of life , why should we let the mancurian raicail assimlation continue even by today , do we have to go back to manchu reign of terror and wear pig tail again ??

lesson in history, this happened over almost 100 years ago.

During the ming dynasty manchu has been an "outsider", however in the past manchu, korea and other places all has been one part of China.

it doesn't matter what or how it happened in history, TODAY, manchu belongs to China therefore they are chinese.

What Manchurian did during their occupation of china was unjusted but understandable.

What should minority race like the manchu do in order to secure their future with the han chinese?

Don't use today's measurement to judge them, use their mindset at the time to see if that was apprioate. some things maybe unnesscarry, but something has to be done for the greater good of the people.

When they first conquered China, their number one goal was to oppress the opposition and get rid of them. Han chinese has been doing that along with many many rulers thru out the world in violent conquest of another nation.

second thing they did was secure and feed the people. It doesn't matter what kind of ruler or race as long as they can provide shelter, food, prospersity, and security. People would embrace and enjoy their lifes.

It is the government and their efforts in determining of their markings on history.

I think Manchu was successful in mingling the Hand and the Manchu people in harmony. It just the fact the manchu rulers in later stage of their history were so weak, closed minded, and corrupt. That's just part of nature. every country will have their highs and lows.

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I think Manchu was successful in mingling the Hand and the Manchu people in harmony. It just the fact the manchu rulers in later stage of their history were so weak, closed minded, and corrupt. That's just part of nature. every country will have their highs and lows.

That's certainly true. Ming became the powerful nation through a strong leader and military victories, and within a few hundred years it was corrupt and fell apart from the inside even after a successful war.

Even Han fell into corruption and war. Nothing is perfect.

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Originally posted by onibattousai:



What Manchurian did during their occupation of china was understandable.

was understandable , rapeing our woman , killing our children is understandble ??

unfortunly you dont read chinese , if you had been to those manchu forums , then you will discoverd manchu had no remorse what they had done to our people , and on the other hand they were proud and brag about how we killed those (HANS) ,and raped their woman,how we suppose to enslave them in the future . all that .

Things are different from what your imaignation , you shold dig into to the truth and find out whats more than meets the eye .

And finally I have a question , why you are saying killing and rape our woman and child , and try to destroy our way of life by brutal racial assimilation program is justified and understandble ??

I am kinda confused

another thing i have remind you that , the manchu in the past dont recognize themselfs as chinese , the idea of racial assimlation is a act of culture genocide , the aim is to wipe the chinese culture out of the world .

Manchu cheif had said to foreign ammasdors , now is qing empire , not chinese empire . So he makes very clear the qing empire has nothing to do with chinese . Within his regin of terror , manchu intend to destory chinese civilisation and convert every chinese into manchurian by force .

Thats the histroic facts , unfortunly, the KMT and CCP was not keen on the idea to educate people about the truth in order to secure their rule.

Manchurian had never regarded themself as chinese in the reign of terror of qing empire , on the contray their goal is destroy chinese civilisation permenantly .