Reserve Army Recruiter says join as an enlisted and not as an officer. Good advice? Seems odd. CS degree current job LE.
Depends of what you want to do? I have a degree and they wanted me to go office, but I wanted to be an Infantryman, so I stay enlisted.
Intelligence type. Recruiter is pushing hard for enlisted, so perhaps there is additional training. Seems like a house of cards to me.
If you want to be like an Intel Collector / analyst, the enlisted would probably be better. If you want to be in the head shed making decisions, then officer would be better.
Just my opinion, not being in the intel field...
I did hear that officers were slightly over manned, so he may be pushing to enlistees.
Thanks for the intel :-D Seeems logical that one would need "field" experience to be respected as an officer.
The other discussion is regular vs reserve; again the recruiter is pushing reserve - perhaps he knows something about future planning and retention issues.
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Well you misunderstood what njterry said to you, you need to read carefully.
He didn't say you need experience as enlisted to be respected as an Officer. He stated one role was hands-on (Enlisted) and one role was decision making at HQ (Officer). He also dropped a hint on why your being pushed in the direction you are "officers were slightly over manned".
Fact is the Regular Army is overmanned and is downsizing some are getting Reduction in Force notifications others are being told they are surplus right now.
Army Reserve is still short of people and quite frankly they are always short of people even in these good times of Recruiting. Hence your being pushed to Army Reserve.
If you want my personal opinion I think YOU as a Law Enforcement Officer your going to like Enlisted better. I don't know you but based on my NG Experience, Paramedics, Junior LE Officers, Junior Firefighters were all Enlisted National Guard. Officers generally tended to be Assistant Chief or Chief or Detective types in the LE world. Up to you though and everyone is different.
Also, if you want my opinion look before you leap. Try a tour as National Guard or USAR to see if you like the MOS. If you do then move towards Active Duty. You should realize though that Active Duty could mean waiting a min of 2 years as your NG or Reserve unit won't want to see you transfer right away. That might be OK timing for you if you can wait.
If you can't wait and you don't want to be a LE anymore then leap into Active Duty. My opinion is that as a LEO you have it better in pay and benefits right now if your a Cop on a Police Force then you would on Active Duty as Enlisted.
If you keep your civilian LE career then as Enlisted NG or USAR you might get differential pay as part of your Military Leave package that pays the difference between your USAR/NG pay and your LE pay. You need to look into this.
You won't get differential pay if you go Active Duty at least I don't think you will.
Thank you for your informative post! I am trying to be politically correct in my post; perhaps that is a problem. I do understand njterry's post.
Good info on the Regular Army, the Army Reserve is really my first choice. My goal is to gain LE experience and with my degree finally have qualifications to apply to one of the "ABC" agencies. They all seem to want armed forces experience along with a degree in law, accounting or CS. Sometimes I feel as thought I'm stuck in the "chicken or egg" dilema :-D I have a degree; I'm new to my job in LE and basically not qualified for anything but patrol.
I don't want to work for a CS company; been there done that as an intern. My parents "forced" me to a technical degree, but LE is where I want to be, always. The investigative side, computer crime etc.... is my main interest.
The recruiter has been very helpful; I just want to make sure I am doing LE and not MP type work and I don't know how to follow through with that goal. I took the "practice" test and aced it, so the recruiter told me I'd enter as an E5 then go to OCS in 6 months. Will all that be in a contract of some sort?
Sorry for all these basic questions, but it seems like this forum is a good place for discussion.
As for LEO benefits, pay etc....yes they are relativly good, but I have no dependents and Regular Army or Reserve training gives me the opportunity to move to the career path of my choice. As a local LEO, that move would be way down the time line. I know the "ABC" guys are a long shot and if that doesn't work, then I can use my skills for the USA.
Again, many thanks for the info.
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No go ahead ask basic questions and I didn't want to hijack from njterry either he is currently serving and would probably know more of the nuances then me.
OK so your entering under the OCS off the street option it reads like. Thats hard to get these days did you pass the OCS board yet or are you scheduled for the OCS board?
Your Recruiter is kind of accurate although last I heard it went like this (and you should reconfirm with your Recruiter)
1. Enter as a E4 SPC attend Army Basic Training once you graduate you advance to E5 in paygrade only.....your really not a SGT and they will counsel you on how that all works. So you start Officer training in paygrade E5 and remain there until graduation where you commission as a 2nd LT. They usually then have an advanced Officer Course for your specific branch you attend that as a 2nd LT not a E5. Since I was last in more then 20 years ago they might have eliminated the complete Army Basic Training step and merged it with Officers Basic.....not sure there. Typically the Army does not give you the E5 paygrade until your officially an Officer Cadet. Just entering the Army does not make you an Officer Cadet. Now what could have happened here is the Army changed the program where you go right to Officers Basic Course vs Army Basic Training first. In that case you would enter as a E5. Bottom line is they can't make you a E5 until your officially an Officer Cadet and it's hard to enter the Army off the street as a Officer Cadet without any Basic Training in how the Army works. Again they might have changed the training part of the program. It always seemed a little silly to me to send someone through Army Basic Training then again through Officer Basic.....their is some overlap between the two.
What do you mean when you say you want to make sure your doing LE work and not basic MP type work? This comment concerns me because it depends on where you end up in the Army what type of work you end up doing.
Investigating I think would be more Army CID type branch, not sure how you get there as Officer. We have two Army posters in the Army Forums that are CID and might be able to help you more so you can ask here
Or ask in here:
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Also Army Reserve has a few more twists in order to be more flexible for Officer training. Basically you should ask your Recruiter this:
1. Do I need to attend Army Basic Training and Officer Basic or just Officer Basic.
2. After I complete Officer Basic and I am a 2nd LT when do I attend my branch training school.
If you want I can flag down FO2_325, he used to be a Station Commander up until recently and might remember some of this Officer Training stuff. He recently had a job change and is not on the boards as much as he used to be.
He is a SFC former 82nd Airborne FO for Artillery (prior to Recruiting).
I would be interested in FO2_325's opinion/experience with my questions.
Knowledge is power.
I meant to put my replies together, but hit "post now" prematurely.
As to your query regarding "MP" work; I meant no disresepect to any MP! I would like to work in intelligence, using my CS degree with my experience as an LEO; whether at a desk, in the field or wherever I can contribute.
Thanks for the links, I will head over there and see what I can discover.
Again, many thanks.
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Don't worry on the disrespecting MP's stuff, everyone does it (ha-ha). Intelligence field using Criminal Science degree.....I think thats still more a CID role but I am not an expert.
Let me see if I can get FO2_325.
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Here's my two cents:
Process for OCS. Have a back up plan if you can't get MI since it is currently way overstrength (even though vacancies in AR units exist). The last several exceptions to policy (as of last week) for AR MI positions that I have seen were been shot down from MI branch, so...
"Provide the Strength"
AR? Army Reserve.... you guys have more alphabet soup than the O&G industry :-D
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