your money, your choice
these bailouts are nonsense

the big three have, along with the UAW have put US car makers in to the ground

do you want your tax bucks to go to detroit to pay a auto worker nearly 40 bucks a hour?? too pay his medical costs

do you make 40 bucks a hour

Obama wants to bail out the auto industry, why because the unions have him in their hip pocket

let the system work on detroit, if they fail,they fail, let gm file chap 11 re structure, get rid of the union and maybe start a profie

no one misses studebaker, packard or nash

AIG used some of the bailout for a lavish party

this money to banks, not going to mtg bailouts
banks are using to pay dividends

this has to stop

yea 40 bucks an hour is a lot...


but really what obama should do is give contracts to these companies to make military transportation and utility vehicles... instead of bailing them out.... that and 40$ is a lot to get per hour.... they need to set sensible salaries...

The President should VETO any bailout coming across his desk! Leave it for the socialists...

Let the industry send them to the unemployment line... Barack can send them checks when he comes in...

According to Al Gore - John Kerry - and bambam Obama - hey - SPREAD THE WEALTH... Let someone else try for a while... they deserve an opportunity don't they... So what if 50-thousand people are out of job - let other people take their jobs - why not allow the minimum wage 7/11 cashier take a shot at making 40-50 bucks per hour, don't the deserve it..?

Let's how the Socialist theory holds together then - heck forget the unions - let other folks give it try. 40-50 bucks an hr - even a crackhead can hold a rachet gun for a few hours per day... shouldn't they get a chance too?

Bush is a FOOL if he signs another piece of legislation for the democrats... they will only use it against him later on - just like they did the wars... They don't have a problem lying about our soldiers they sent to war - so, let's what happens when 50-thousand people get laid off - no income - can't spend money which creates MORE lay-offs... Let's see what happens if 50-thousand people march downtown DC and start asking the socialist democratic party - WHERE'S MY CHECK - WHERE'S MY CHECK...

this should be interesting...

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
Obama wants to bail out the auto industry, why because the unions have him in their hip pocket

let the system work on detroit, if they fail,they fail, let gm file chap 11 re structure, get rid of the union and maybe start a profie

no one misses studebaker, packard or nash

AIG used some of the bailout for a lavish party

this money to banks, not going to mtg bailouts
banks are using to pay dividends

this has to stop

These so-called bailouts are intended to keep our entire economy from collapsing. Why? Because the economy was allready gutted....sliced, diced, and all of the good parts sold off and traded.

Who's to blame? AIG? The predatory lenders? Banks? Wallstreet? Yes to all. But, while we are doling out blame, let us not forget Halliburton and the other defense contractors who made billions while we were bleeding out economically.

Is Halliburton or the other defense contractors any less guilty of taking government handouts? Would anyone in their right mind have paid a company such as Halliburton billions of dollars to deliver goods? Provide security? They were the first to stick their greedy paws out for uncle sugar's rewards.

When we start having real honest bids for government contracts, then you can whine about how much the autoworkers are making. Somehow I don't think their $40/hour comes anywheres near what those privateers private contractors make per day.

it seems some wanted us to give contracts out to china or some other country for doing the job of halburtan kbr and bw.... so what other usa companies provides these services??? i really dont think many us companies...

Just print more money!! Want an account number?

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
it seems some wanted us to give contracts out to china or some other country for doing the job of halburtan kbr and bw.... so what other usa companies provides these services??? i really dont think many us companies...

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I was just getting ready to ofer a similar comment. Hallliburton had the capabilities to provide the required products. Now they are being vilified for profiting?

BTW, my Grandparents had a Packard and believe me, I miss it! It was big, bulky and not very fuel effficient, but that wasn't important at the time.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
it seems some wanted us to give contracts out to china or some other country for doing the job of halburtan kbr and bw.... so what other usa companies provides these services??? i really dont think many us companies...

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This is my 50th post. I'm trying to catch up with you outlaws93...ROTFLMBO.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
it seems some wanted us to give contracts out to china or some other country for doing the job of halburtan kbr and bw.... so what other usa companies provides these services??? i really dont think many us companies...

Deliver fuel? Provide chow? Do private security? There are plenty of companies...small businesses that would LOVE a contract like Halliburton KBR has garnered. If fact, I'm sure Joe the Plumber would love to get one of their services contracts. He can service the porta johns/janes. I'm sure thats a pretty lucrative contract.

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Originally posted by Flygirl62:

quote:

Originally posted by Ira1945:
Obama wants to bail out the auto industry, why because the unions have him in their hip pocket

let the system work on detroit, if they fail,they fail, let gm file chap 11 re structure, get rid of the union and maybe start a profie

no one misses studebaker, packard or nash

AIG used some of the bailout for a lavish party

this money to banks, not going to mtg bailouts
banks are using to pay dividends

this has to stop

These so-called bailouts are intended to keep our entire economy from collapsing. Why? Because the economy was allready gutted....sliced, diced, and all of the good parts sold off and traded.

Who's to blame? AIG? The predatory lenders? Banks? Wallstreet? Yes to all. But, while we are doling out blame, let us not forget Halliburton and the other defense contractors who made billions while we were bleeding out economically.

Is Halliburton or the other defense contractors any less guilty of taking government handouts? Would anyone in their right mind have paid a company such as Halliburton billions of dollars to deliver goods? Provide security? They were the first to stick their greedy paws out for uncle sugar's rewards.

When we start having real honest bids for government contracts, then you can whine about how much the autoworkers are making. Somehow I don't think their $40/hour comes anywheres near what those privateers private contractors make per day.

pure un adulterated baloney

this is not a democrat, not a republican it is a problem of just spend spend spend

both sides are equal to blame for all of thas crapppppppppp

what is even more telling is Senator Dodd on a commercia lfor a mtg loan company, and he was one of the instruments of the loan/mtg fiasco
wonder how much he gets for ad

this is our problem...

The bidding process is open and competitive. Why didn't Joe get involved?

oh yea sure we would all love to get those contracts hell i would kill for it but can i fulfill what is needed for the contract?? can i provide the numbers they need to get the job done??? no i cant and a lot of others cant either.... name flygirl name a few companies that can delver the requirements needed by the gov to do the job....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
oh yea sure we would all love to get those contracts hell i would kill for it but can i fulfill what is needed for the contract?? can i provide the numbers they need to get the job done??? no i cant and a lot of others cant either.... name flygirl name a few companies that can delver the requirements needed by the gov to do the job....

Shesh outlaws...you are asking for a lot this morning. You want me to research every company that is capable of delivering the services that KBR does? That's a big bill. You'll have to let me get a 2nd cup of coffee.

BTW, you could probably win one of those contracts. They have a certain amount reserved for minorities and persons with disabilities. Start a company. Hire workers (preferably legal ones). Get yourself a piece of uncle sam's huge pie. Heck, its not like you don't have time on your hands to do the research and start a business. I'd offer to come to work for you, but you can't afford me.

well what other companies were wanting these contracts that halburton kbr and bw are getting...

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
well what other companies were wanting these contracts that halburton kbr and bw are getting...

Not sure how many WOULD have bid on the contracts if they had been an open bid. Since they weren't, that information isn't tracked unless a company files a lawsuit.

"The Bush Administration, for example, has made several no-bid contracts. Just days after Hurricane Katrina, in September, 2005, the Bush administration awarded similar no-bid reconstruction contracts to companies such as Fluor Corp., Bechtel, Shaw Group, CH2M Hill Cos, and Halliburton's Kellogg, Brown and Root Both the much-disputed Iraq reconstruction no-bid contracts and those awarded after Hurricane Katrina contained "cost-plus" provisions "that guarantee contractors a certain profit regardless of how much they ultimately spend," according to the Wall Street Journal. Critics claim that such agreements "remove any incentives for private companies to control expenses, which are paid for by the tax-payer."

Maybe the bidding process will be a little more open in the future. Then there might actually be some data available.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
yea 40 bucks an hour is a lot...


but really what obama should do is give contracts to these companies to make military transportation and utility vehicles... instead of bailing them out.... that and 40$ is a lot to get per hour.... they need to set sensible salaries...

Actually $40 an hour is only $83,200 a year not including overtime. What do you think a sensible salary for a mechanic, or line worker be?

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flygril

so basically you are just saying what other groups have told you to say and that you really dont know anything about it other then what left wing groups have told you to think about it....

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Originally posted by Anbar7:

quote:

Originally posted by outlaws93:
yea 40 bucks an hour is a lot...


but really what obama should do is give contracts to these companies to make military transportation and utility vehicles... instead of bailing them out.... that and 40$ is a lot to get per hour.... they need to set sensible salaries...

Actually $40 an hour is only $83,200 a year not including overtime. What do you think a sensible salary for a mechanic, or line worker be?

about half that at lease....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
so basically you are just saying what other groups have told you to say and that you really dont know anything about it other then what left wing groups have told you to think about it....

Good god man. Do your own research if you are that interested. Its not like you don't have the time. This is a habbit for you. You never offer your own research on ANYTHING you put out there, but you expect others to research when you have a question. Guess what? I HAVE a job. I don't have endless hours to surf and post. If you believe all of those articles are wrong, then YOU prove it.

BTW, the last article was from the Wallstreet Journal. Definitely not a left leaning publication.

ah-ha hey whatever you have to tell yourself...