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I have heard they taste like chicken - considering your obvious expertise in such matters can you confirm? |
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This has got to be the dumbest thread ever
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What Hagee was doing in those quotes was explaining how and why the Jews were first dispersed and then regathered.
He's not saying the Holocaust was their fault, directly, but a natural offshoot of their rebellion against God and God's plan to subsequently bring them back to the Promised Land. While it may seem callous to say this, have you considered whether or not there would be a State of Israel today had there not been a Holocaust? Without the slaughter of those Jews, would the world have ever faced up to itself and what has been done to the Jews over the centuries? I personally doubt it. But to call John Hagee an anti-Semite is the height of ignorance. He's anything but that. In fact, I doubt Israel has a greater friend in the Gentile world that John Hagee. Go to this website and explore the organization Hagee created out of thin air; Christians United for Israel www.cufi.org It is one of the fastest growing Christian organizations in the country and is drawing widespread support from the Christian community and the political world. In fact, register for the third annual conference in Washington DC and come join us as we lobby Congress to support the Jewish State and demand our government put an end to the reckless insistance on dividing Israel to placate the Palestinians. Come hear speeches and words of encouragement from the likes of Benjamin Netanyahu, John McCain (yes, he was the only candidate who came to speak to us last year) and a parade of Rabbi's praising the support of Israel by their Christian brothers and praising John Hagee for his committment. Anti-Semite? Boy, that's a laugh! |
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How about anti Catholic?
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Not in regards to CUFI. Catholics are invited to attend every year, but decline. So do most Democrats, but that's another issue. On a larger level, though, a lot of fundamentalist Protestants are anti-Catholic. I suppose it's sort of institutionalized all the way back to Martin Luther, I don't know. I do know that even within my own denomination, Southern Baptist's, there are a lot of folks who seem to think that Catholics aren't saved and need to be witnessed to. I personally disagree, strongly, and so do some others. I remember an incident in Louisiana after Katrina when our SBC chainsaw crew were getting our job orders for the day. For one order, we were alerted to be ready to share the Gospel at that house because, "We know these people are Catholics." I said, "Why? Catholics are Christian's, aren't they?" No answer, but a few hard looks!  |
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To be sure there is a certain anti Catholicsm amongst protestants. Of course there is some (though not the the extent of Anti Catholic Protestants) anti Protestantism amongst some Catholics.
But Hagee has come across as one of those "Catholics must be saved" folks. I understand he has refered to the church as "The Great Whore" If my Aunt Margie, Aunt Theresa, and Aunt Frannie got a hold of him he'd be screamin Hail Mary's and beggin for mercy. |
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ALL I very seldom get into the threads re this type of subject. Today, I agree with this quots. Pastor Hagee has a lot more to say on this subject than the threads extraction from his books. History, as we all have lived a good deal of it, is viewed from our limited perspective. We enjoy today the resources of almost unlimited access to the documents, pics, and on the ground memories of participants. Beside all that, it behooves us to get our facts straight. end |
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According to an Associated Press (AP) release this morning, John McCain is trying to distance himself from Hagee. The statement said that even though McCain is thankful for the endorsement he (Johnny Mac) does not agree with everything that Hagee says. The release also said that McCain was upset by the references Hagee made about the Catholic church and the jews. I guess that either McCain is either smart enough to know that the evangelicals will not vote for him or he really does care.
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I will say it again.
By Nov McCain will be the most conservative politician ever and the most religious too. Most of you will be attacking anyone that says different too. |
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IMO, it comes down to this:
McCain supporter John Hagee believes (based on his personal interpretation of whichever Bible translation he accepts as "valid") that God wants all Jews to live in Israel. He further believes that any Jew who chooses not to live in Israel is violating the will of God and that anything a non-Jew says or does to a Jew not residing in Israel, up to and including the Nazi death camps, is justified because that Jew is violating God's will by not living in Israel. John McCain's statement, "I'm very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement today", and his subsequent failure to reject and condemn Hagee's endorsement either indicates that: (a) He agrees with Hagee's beliefs regarding Jews, (b) He has made a conscious effort not to learn what Hagee's beliefs are, AKA providing himself with "plausible deniability", or (c) He privately disagrees with Hagee’s beliefs regarding Jews, but is more interested in securing the votes of anti-semites than he is in having any integrity. Jesus Christ spoke to option (c) clearly:
Apparently John McCain is either: Opinion A: An anti-semite, Option B: Cowardly hiding his head in the sand, or Option C: Quite willing to “lose his own soul” for any chance to gain the Presidency of the United States in 2008. As a follower of Jesus Christ and as a patriotic American, I cannot vote for an anti-semite, a moral coward or someone willing to give up his soul for a vote or two. |
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You have heard huh? Did you get the double order with the special sauce?  |
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In that case, considering the current state of American politics you may not be voting in the next Presidential election. |
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No, I thought it best to leave the taste testing to you - thanks for the insight. |
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I am a member of CUFI. In addition, he has raised millions of dollars for Jewish orphanages and other causes. In addition, he is the founder of "A Night to Honor Israel," which he began about 25 years ago. John Hagee LOVES the Jewish people. |
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Maybe Kosher franks... with veins... more to your liking? |
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Stillkit |
Have you been to either of the gatherings in Washington, or are you planning to go this year? I went to the first two, but am unsure about going this year. I don't have any doubts about the Biblical mandate to support Israel and I still do, but I came away from the first Washington meeting mad as a dead rat. It felt like I'd been conned into paying to attend a Republican campaign rally. All the true Neo-Con bigwigs were there and when they welcomed Tom Delay like the Messiah had walked into the room, I nearly hurled. I was hot and told Hagee so. In any case, I was assured that CUFI is not a front organization for the Neo-Con wing of the party and that all Christian denominations and Democrats had been invited, but they declined to attend. "Ok, I'll take that at face value," I said to myself, so I went last year again and it was much better. No Delay, no Brownback, no Santorum on the stage and a smattering of boo's when George Bushs' name was mentioned. Only Newt Gingrich appeared on stage. But, I found out later that they were all there again, just hidden away from we lower class supporters at a big donor dinner, where the wealthy contributors to the cause got to hobnob with the K Street boys. In any case, I'm mad about it again and may not go back unless I see Hagee distancing himself from the Neo-Con's. His endorsement of McCain doesn't help. |
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I may have to write in someone  |
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Thank GOD we have the option of writing someone in.
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Stillkit |
Yeah. But, if you're going to turn your back on America's future and just be a non-participant, might was well go ahead and write in Lucifer or George Washington or Pope John Paul II and make it REALLY significant! I'm sure the whole world will sit up and take notice of your protest. |
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I was thinking Robin Williams, at least we'd have some real "comedy" in Washington again....the current crop just aren't funny, they make ya cry a river every time they vote on something.
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