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The Jewish agenda.


 
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The Jewish agenda.


Oyveh!! Apparently your tinfoil hat is fitting a little tight today. What's next, quotes from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?


Negative.....Hagee has always been for protecting Israel, thats one of his agenda's which I happen to agree with......I don't agree with his agenda on Catholics
 
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Man what happened to yer face? sucks bein you. Wink
 
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"I'm very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement today," McCain said at a news conference. "He has been the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement in many areas, but especially, most especially, his close ties and advocacy for the freedom and independence of the state of Israel."

Pastor John Hagee, in his book "Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World", writes (pages 92-92):
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It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day...
Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come...
It rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people.”
So, according to McCain supporter Hagee, anti-semitism is the fault of the Jews because of their "disobedience and rebellion to their covenantal responsibility". Anti-semitism is God's punishment on the Jews from being "bad". If they had "done the right thing" and had never left Israel/Palestine, there wouldn't be any anti-semitism.
McCain supporter Hagee continues, in his book
"Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World":
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The fishermen come before the hunters. First, God sent the fishermen to Israel. These were the Zionists, men like Theodor Herzl who called for the Jews of Europe and the world to come to Palestine to establish the Jewish state. The Jews were encouraged to escape while there was still time. The situation for Jews in Europe would only get worse, not better.
A fisherman is one who draws his target toward him with bait. Herzl and his fellow Zionists were God’s fishermen, calling the sons and daughters of Abraham home. Herzl was deeply disappointed that the Jews of the world did not respond in greater numbers.
God then sent the hunters. The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear. No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler’s Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have — Israel.
So, according to McCain supporter Hagee, God sent Hitler and the Nazis to scare the Jews back to Israel - and those Jews who refused to go to Israel deserved their deaths in the Holocaust for disobeying God and not voluntarily moving to Israel.
So, according to McCain supporter Hagee, Hitler, Himmler and those death camp guards who operated Dachau, Auschwitz, Treblina, etc, were actually doing God's work - killing off those Jews who defied God by not living in Israel.
Senator McCain - are you still "very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement"?

You are talking Old Testament (OT) and the book of revelations (NT) here. You canNOT take this out of context otherwise you can make it say whatever you want it to say. Read OT read Revelations and learn why His (capital H) people left and why they are returning.

ps - the 0530 (est) ABC “news piranhas” reported this morning that McCain did not fully support Hagee or his endorsement. Which report is true? My guess is McCain is sitting on the fence until he sees what the public wants to hear. He has been out of the lime-light compared to the dems


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Let us get some truth into this matter. John Hagee does not praise Hitler nor does he justifies the Holocaust. If you had any knowledge of John Hagee you would know that he loves Isreal and the Jewish people he also knows the history of the Jewish nation and thier place with God and the Bible. He is not like the closet Muslim that is running for President that hates the Jewish nation and white people in generally. check out the church he attends and its feelings of the Jewish people. It is sad when someone makes statements they know nothing about.


Is he or isn't he Muslim? Because if he is Muslim, he would frequent a Mosque. People need to listen him saying how long he's been a Christian. Also do some research into this before making complete false allegations.
 
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Man what happened to yer face? sucks bein you. Wink


Wear the award with pride, you certainly deserve it.
 
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Hagee is not alone......many beleive his doctrine and what he preaches......


The world is full of gullible people ready to be taken in by charismatic hucksters.
 
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Let us get some truth into this matter. John Hagee does not praise Hitler nor does he justifies the Holocaust. If you had any knowledge of John Hagee you would know that he loves Isreal and the Jewish people he also knows the history of the Jewish nation and thier place with God and the Bible. He is not like the closet Muslim that is running for President that hates the Jewish nation and white people in generally. check out the church he attends and its feelings of the Jewish people. It is sad when someone makes statements they know nothing about.


I'm guessing you totally missed the glaring irony in your last statement.
 
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Let us get some truth into this matter. John Hagee does not praise Hitler nor does he justifies the Holocaust. If you had any knowledge of John Hagee you would know that he loves Isreal and the Jewish people he also knows the history of the Jewish nation and thier place with God and the Bible. He is not like the closet Muslim that is running for President that hates the Jewish nation and white people in generally. check out the church he attends and its feelings of the Jewish people. It is sad when someone makes statements they know nothing about.
So the quote credited to him above is false?
I think anoldnotboldrecondo's comment bears repeating.

I copied the Hagee quotes word-for-word from his own book, which I purchased at a local "Christian" bookstore.

Do you interpret his own words, 17039831, as showing his "love" for the Jewish people? Confused

Hagee looks at the Jewish people and the nation of Israel in much the same way as someone who loves to eat steak looks at a cow. Protect the cow, feed the cow - so you can eat it later with Bar-B-Que sauce. He only supports the nation of Israel because he believes that it is necessary for the Jews to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - therby initiating Armageddon, the end of the world and the final extermination of the Jews.
 
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Let's see if I've got this straight:
#1 This Hagee moron is trying to say that jews only belong in Israel. Right? Does that mean that nobody can leave their ancestral home and live anywhere else? I think Hagee needs to relocate to the booby hatch. So Hagee is spreading hate for jews.

#2 Johnny Mac supports him which also makes him support the swastika gang and the purveyors of hate. So Mac is spreading lack of knowledge of his supporters.

#3 Hillary supports NAFTA even though she says she does not. She doesn't whine either does she? So Hillary is spreading deception and kleenex.

#4 Barak the rock claims to have a vision for this country even though it's a bit fuzzy to people who are alod enough to understand politics better than to say "he's really cool" as a reason to vote for him. So Barak is spreading "cool" and someone elses speeches.

And here we are posting and replying to messages that can be interpretted in as many ways as the constitution. Does that mean we're spreading bull$hit?
 
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Let's see if I've got this straight:
#1 This Hagee moron is trying to say that jews only belong in Israel. Right? Does that mean that nobody can leave their ancestral home and live anywhere else? I think Hagee needs to relocate to the booby hatch. So Hagee is spreading hate for jews.

#2 Johnny Mac supports him which also makes him support the swastika gang and the purveyors of hate. So Mac is spreading lack of knowledge of his supporters.

#3 Hillary supports NAFTA even though she says she does not. She doesn't whine either does she? So Hillary is spreading deception and kleenex.

#4 Barak the rock claims to have a vision for this country even though it's a bit fuzzy to people who are alod enough to understand politics better than to say "he's really cool" as a reason to vote for him. So Barak is spreading "cool" and someone elses speeches.

And here we are posting and replying to messages that can be interpretted in as many ways as the constitution. Does that mean we're spreading bull$hit?


Precisely grasshopper.
 
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Let's see if I've got this straight:
#1 This Hagee moron is trying to say that jews only belong in Israel. Right? Does that mean that nobody can leave their ancestral home and live anywhere else? I think Hagee needs to relocate to the booby hatch. So Hagee is spreading hate for jews.

#2 Johnny Mac supports him which also makes him support the swastika gang and the purveyors of hate. So Mac is spreading lack of knowledge of his supporters.

#3 Hillary supports NAFTA even though she says she does not. She doesn't whine either does she? So Hillary is spreading deception and kleenex.

#4 Barak the rock claims to have a vision for this country even though it's a bit fuzzy to people who are alod enough to understand politics better than to say "he's really cool" as a reason to vote for him. So Barak is spreading "cool" and someone elses speeches.

And here we are posting and replying to messages that can be interpretted in as many ways as the constitution. Does that mean we're spreading bull$hit?


Precisely grasshopper.


Does that mean since I have grabbed pebble from masters hand time for me to leave?
 
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Let's see if I've got this straight:
#1 This Hagee moron is trying to say that jews only belong in Israel. Right? Does that mean that nobody can leave their ancestral home and live anywhere else? I think Hagee needs to relocate to the booby hatch. So Hagee is spreading hate for jews.

#2 Johnny Mac supports him which also makes him support the swastika gang and the purveyors of hate. So Mac is spreading lack of knowledge of his supporters.

#3 Hillary supports NAFTA even though she says she does not. She doesn't whine either does she? So Hillary is spreading deception and kleenex.

#4 Barak the rock claims to have a vision for this country even though it's a bit fuzzy to people who are alod enough to understand politics better than to say "he's really cool" as a reason to vote for him. So Barak is spreading "cool" and someone elses speeches.

And here we are posting and replying to messages that can be interpretted in as many ways as the constitution. Does that mean we're spreading bull$hit?


Precisely grasshopper.


Does that mean since I have grabbed pebble from masters hand time for me to leave?


You new Masta.
 
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The Jewish agenda.




Man what happened to yer face? sucks bein you. Wink


Wear the award with pride, you certainly deserve it.


Why for supporting Israel? Fine with me. See ya @ Armageddon. Wink
 
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Why for supporting Israel? Fine with me. See ya @ Armageddon. Wink



Isn't that the new restaurant chain that's supposed to be better that TGI Fridays? I understand it has an excellent kosher menu.
 
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Why for supporting Israel? Fine with me. See ya @ Armageddon. Wink



Isn't that the new restaurant chain that's supposed to be better that TGI Fridays? I understand it has an excellent kosher menu.


no....I'm pretty sure its called Christ Killers they serve good fried foreskins.....perfect for you. Wink
 
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Someone here has very little understanding of history, the Bible, and the covenant-relationship between God and the Jews...and it's not Pastor Hagee.


EXACTLY.

Natural men trying to explain spiritual things. Sheesh.

Judgment ALWAYS comes because of disobedience, as a person AND as a nation. God gives us rules and requirements for living in covenant with him, and these rules and requirements are there to guide and protect us. When we don't follow that guidance and disobey those rules, . . . we pay, simple as that. God NEVER directly causes destruction. When we disobey, we step out of his protection and blessing.

And that's . . . . . . the rest of the story.

P.S. John Hagee LOVES the Jewish people, . . . folks that don't "get" that need to do a LOT more research.
 
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John Hagee is reckless and arrogant. He is of the opinion that men can "speed up" the end times, How arrogant is that?

That is very radical thinking, as if though man can outsmart GodConfused
 
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I think anoldnotboldrecondo's comment bears repeating.

I copied the Hagee quotes word-for-word from his own book, which I purchased at a local "Christian" bookstore.

Do you interpret his own words, 17039831, as showing his "love" for the Jewish people? Confused

Hagee looks at the Jewish people and the nation of Israel in much the same way as someone who loves to eat steak looks at a cow. Protect the cow, feed the cow - so you can eat it later with Bar-B-Que sauce. He only supports the nation of Israel because he believes that it is necessary for the Jews to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - therby initiating Armageddon, the end of the world and the final extermination of the Jews.

Actually, your 'summarization' leaves out very important details. According to the prophesy/superstition, the Israelites lost their home because they disobeyed Yahweh. Homeless and persecuted for centuries, they are finally able to return with the assistance of Gentiles (Western nations, particularly the United States and Great Britain). After some time has passed and Israel has been rebuilt, Israel will be beset upon by enemies of Yahweh who intend to destroy it. Israel and its allies will fight them at Harmaggedon. At that time, Yahweh will deliver HIS people and those that side with them (the Christian Gentiles).

It is not a wish for destruction of the Jews but a belief that the prophesy/superstition is being fulfilled by modern events. [shrug] Personally, I think that the Bible is really more of an allegorical book, but I think it's clear that you and others are trying to warp a very clear observation of what John Hagee believes to be a fulfillment of a basic Christian and Jewish deliverance prophesy.
 
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