Darn those recording devices again! Every single time the GOP has got its dander up about an “issue”…

Media continue to falsely claim Clark criticized McCain's service

I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands of millions of others in the Armed Forces as a prisoner of war.

He did! And Obama even had to "scold" him over it.

When someone says, "I respect his military service but..." they are generally about to step in doo-doo.

Clark leads a long line of Democrats who disrespect our veterans. Clark and Murtha are just leaders of the pack. Kerry's comments about veterans and education, sank his presidential hopes. Democrats are their own worse enemy.

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He did! And Obama even had to "scold" him over it.

When someone says, "I respect his military service but..." they are generally about to step in doo-doo.

Point out WHERE John McSame's military service was "criticized". The entire exchange, questions and answers are provided in the link. Go ahead, click on the little link, read the interview and show me EXACTLY where John McSame's service was insulted, denigrated or criticized. Go on, I’ll wait…

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Originally posted by ipscone:
He did! And Obama even had to "scold" him over it.

When someone says, "I respect his military service but..." they are generally about to step in doo-doo.

Clark leads a long line of Democrats who disrespect our veterans. Clark and Murtha are just leaders of the pack. Kerry's comments about veterans and education, sank his presidential hopes. Democrats are their own worse enemy.

Obama did not scold anyone. He never even mentioned Clark by name. I watched the interview and he said nothing disrespectful, nothing. As for him disrespecting our vets, please show some proof? Should not be hard to do...right?

He trivialized his being shot down. That was 1) unnecessary and 2) trivializing his ordeal as a POW and 3) irrelevant to this election, in terms of qualifications.

I'm 100% sure that liberals won't see it that way but veterans do. That comment was wholly unnecessary. That is NOT at all what McCain has going for him. Not once has he ever claimed being shot down and becoming a POW is his only qualifications.

Clark is an a$$**** of the nth degree, for making that comment.

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Obama did not scold anyone. He never even mentioned Clark by name.

You are so much in denial that you don't even know what your own candidate says.

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(CNN) — Barack Obama formally rejected Gen. Wesley Clark's recent comments Monday that questioned whether the John McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander in chief.

"As he's said many times before, Senator Obama honors and respects Senator McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by General Clark," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.

I sure see Clark's name mentioned there and it was world news, that Obama rejected Clark's comments.

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Originally posted by ipscone:
He did! And Obama even had to "scold" him over it.

When someone says, "I respect his military service but..." they are generally about to step in doo-doo.

Point out WHERE John McSame's military service was "criticized". The entire exchange, questions and answers are provided in the link. Go ahead, click on the little link, read the interview and show me EXACTLY where John McSame's service was insulted, denigrated or criticized. Go on, I’ll wait…

Don't hold your breath Sea. I guess all of us democrats have no regard for vets.

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He trivialized his being shot down. That was 1) unnecessary and 2) trivializing his ordeal as a POW and 3) irrelevant to this election, in terms of qualifications.

Let's see the quote and we can read the words ourselves. I really never cared for people translating english for me. Oh and I am not a liberal and I am a vet.

Nobama and his cronies continue to use smoke and mirrors in a campaign of disinformation that would make Joseph Stalin proud.
The truth is as more about this candidate comes to light the more trouble he is in.He's going down.

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Originally posted by ipscone:
He trivialized his being shot down. That was 1) unnecessary and 2) trivializing his ordeal as a POW and 3) irrelevant to this election, in terms of qualifications.

I'm 100% sure that liberals won't see it that way but veterans do. That comment was wholly unnecessary. That is NOT at all what McCain has going for him. Not once has he ever claimed being shot down and becoming a POW is his only qualifications.

Clark is an a$$**** of the nth degree, for making that comment.

What comment? Where was McSame’s being shot down “trivialized”? Where was McSame’s, in General Clark’s interview, ordeal as a POW “trivialized”? Being shot down as a POW is NOT a qualification for President. Last I checked, there are only two “qualifications” for being President.

Interesting… “liberals” won’t see it that way, but Veterans will? Seems to me that a lot of VETERANS don’t see it that way. WHAT COMMENT was unnecessary? Have you seen or read the interview or are you responding to other people’s responses?

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Originally posted by spyglassA1:
Nobama and his cronies continue to use smoke and mirrors in a campaign of disinformation that would make Joseph Stalin proud.
The truth is as more about this candidate comes to light the more trouble he is in.He's going down.

Nice non sequitur…what does that have to do with the fact that General Clark did not criticize John McSame’s service in any way, shape or form? Care to post ON TOPIC?

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Not once has he ever claimed being shot down and becoming a POW is his only qualifications.

LOL Yes and he would be stupid if he did. Still he does not talk about it, but his ads do.

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The campaign promptly turned the quip into an ad that included footage of McCain as a POW.

And this week, the campaign is running a new ad called "Safe" that displays black and white photos of McCain's father and his grandfather — both admirals — followed by images of the wreckage of his shot down A-4E Skyhawk and of a wounded McCain imprisoned in Hanoi.

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Clark was simply pointing out that that is not enough to qualify him for duties as CinC. I agree.

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Clark was simply pointing out that that is not enough to qualify him for duties as CinC. I agree.

It is totally irrelevant, since McCain NEVER made the claim it was. It was disrespectful and trivializing his service. That should be expected of liberals though.

But if it doesn't qualify him, Obama has even LESS qualifications, as Obama chose to evade military service altogether.

Like I said, I'm 100% sure liberals won't see it but veterans will.

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Where was McSame’s

If McSame’s isn't qualified Hussein Osama is less than qualified. Wanna play games with names, I'm 100% sure that members would love to start using Hussein Osama to refer to your candidate.

Do you really want to go there. Anytime someone uses McSame or some other derogative spin of his name, it should be fair re****al to use Osama for liberals choice.

This is a no brainer

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Originally posted by ipscone:
Like I said, I'm 100% sure liberals won't see it but veterans will.

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Where was McSame’s

If McSame’s isn't qualified Hussein Osama is less than qualified. Wanna play games with names, I'm 100% sure that members would love to start using Hussein Osama to refer to your candidate.

Do you really want to go there. Anytime someone uses McSame or some other derogative spin of his name, it should be fair re****al to use Osama for liberals choice.

Petulant, petulant…Where is that big crying baby face? Doesn’t bother me, it isn’t my name and McSame is much more like Bush than Obama is like Osama so have at it. (Psst, it isn’t working…he is STILL ahead)

I AM a veteran. Dave IS a Veteran. 99.9% of the people on this board that agree General Clark did NOT denigrate McSame’s service are veterans so your blanket “vets won’t see it that way” statement is coming directly out of your *** (I saved time and put in the asterisks myself)

Have you READ the exchange on “Face the Nation”? Please show us EXACTLY where McSame’s service was criticized, denigrated or even had its feelings hurt a little bit.

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It was disrespectful and trivializing his service.

Where is the quote? I saw the interview and have no idea what you are talking about. If you believe what he did said was disrespectful, you got some pretty thin skin.

oh and

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I'm 100% sure that members would love to start using Hussein Osama to refer to your candidate.

They already do. Where you been? And I like McBush....more direct.

Since Clark , acted as Nobamma's hitman on meet the press , questioned McCain's career experience and activities as a pow, ie prepariation for high office. I suppose that being a political left winger who has friends in organizations such as the SDS and weatherman, is a better prep for the office of the presidant of the US.
Then truely,Clark did not in fact disrespect Sen McCain. This is about as truthfull as ' pigs can fly'

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Originally posted by ipscone:
He did! And Obama even had to "scold" him over it.

When someone says, "I respect his military service but..." they are generally about to step in doo-doo.

Clark leads a long line of Democrats who disrespect our veterans. Clark and Murtha are just leaders of the pack. Kerry's comments about veterans and education, sank his presidential hopes. Democrats are their own worse enemy.

Wesley Clark said nothing to disrespect McCain's military service. Hell, he said he considered McCain a hero! So do I.

When I look at the pros & cons of a particular candidate, military service generally calls for a strong check in the pro column. However, I have to agree with Clark's statement that flying a fighter plane and getting shot down, in and of itself, does not automatically qualify someone to be president. That in no way denigrates McCain's service. If honorable combat experience trumped all other qualifications for serving as president we'd have millions of similarly qualified candidates to choose from.

I think McCain's opposition to the new GI Bill is harder to justify than Clark's statement on presidential qualifications. How much respect for others' military service does that show?

What was actually said, and how the MSM portrayed it:

http://www.mediamatters.org/items/200807030012?f=h_top

I'm sure some of you will automatically dismiss Media Matters as a left wing organization. After all, that's easier than dealing with those bothersome facts. The facts they state are easily verified though, and they provide links to do just that.

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But if it doesn't qualify him, Obama has even LESS qualifications, as Obama chose to evade military service altogether.

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John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Ronald Reagan are just a few of our Presidents who chose not to serve in the military. Are you saying they were unqualified for the job?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ipscone:

But if it doesn't qualify him, Obama has even LESS qualifications, as Obama chose to evade military service altogether.

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John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Ronald Reagan are just a few of our Presidents who chose not to serve in the military. Are you saying they were unqualified for the job?

No one is saying that. Are you saying that having military experience is NOT a good thing for a president to have? I don't think so. It is hard to understand Clark's logic. "McCain's military service doesn't qualify him to be president. He has no executive experience" Although McCain has over two decades of senatorial service, not to mention his military record. Meanwhile Obama has neither military, nor much experience in the senate, nor much political experience compared to many other candidates we've seen this year. So what is Clark argueing? That lack of experience is somehow a good thing? I guess the sky is green and the grass is blue these days as well.

These contradictions indicate an obvious attempt to discredit/smear McCain. Otherwise how can you justify the "McCain has decades of experience in the senate and military while Obama has virtually none, therefore Obama is MUCH more qualified" arguement?

BHO is not qualified to be Commander and Chief and it has nothing to do with military service.

Frankly I'm a little tired of people who support him only because of skin color.

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Originally posted by ipscone:
Like I said, I'm 100% sure liberals won't see it but veterans will.

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Where was McSame’s

If McSame’s isn't qualified Hussein Osama is less than qualified. Wanna play games with names, I'm 100% sure that members would love to start using Hussein Osama to refer to your candidate.

Do you really want to go there. Anytime someone uses McSame or some other derogative spin of his name, it should be fair re****al to use Osama for liberals choice.

Petulant, petulant…Where is that big crying baby face? Doesn’t bother me, it isn’t my name and McSame is much more like Bush than Obama is like Osama so have at it. (Psst, it isn’t working…he is STILL ahead)

I AM a veteran. Dave IS a Veteran. 99.9% of the people on this board that agree General Clark did NOT denigrate McSame’s service are veterans so your blanket “vets won’t see it that way” statement is coming directly out of your *** (I saved time and put in the asterisks myself)

Have you READ the exchange on “Face the Nation”? Please show us EXACTLY where McSame’s service was criticized, denigrated or even had its feelings hurt a little bit.

99.9%??? Oh, God. Another BS poll.

In a crisis situation, one candidate is a proven veteran. The other one may just run off just as he has on issues. Relating John McCain's service as inconsequential for the job as CinC is down right insulting. If I had to choose one to accompany me in a dangerous situation, it would not be Obama.