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Originally posted by Ira1945:
He did not support prop 8, however the people of california have voted.....

gays, lesbians, and other alternate lifestyles lost
period.

but watch Obama reverse this somehow, probably thru the courts with nom for scotus. and other fed judges.. or even pres order

he has to have his gay and lesbian and alternate lifestyle followers happy, heck with the majority of californian

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Originally posted by Jeannot23:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
He did not support prop 8, however the people of california have voted.....

gays, lesbians, and other alternate lifestyles lost
period.

but watch Obama reverse this somehow, probably thru the courts with nom for scotus. and other fed judges.. or even pres order

he has to have his gay and lesbian and alternate lifestyle followers happy, heck with the majority of californian

In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

EG, "rich and poor, white and black, gay and straight...."

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Originally posted by Ira1945:

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Originally posted by Jeannot23:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
He did not support prop 8, however the people of california have voted.....

gays, lesbians, and other alternate lifestyles lost
period.

but watch Obama reverse this somehow, probably thru the courts with nom for scotus. and other fed judges.. or even pres order

he has to have his gay and lesbian and alternate lifestyle followers happy, heck with the majority of californian

In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

EG, "rich and poor, white and black, gay and straight...."

so??

have the people of california decided this or not??

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In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:

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In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

Friends, Romans, Americans, Countrymen...lend me your kweers.

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Originally posted by Flygirl62:

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:

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In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

Friends, Romans, Americans, Countrymen...lend me your kweers.

Yeah....that's appropriate. Why don't you throw in the N word next?

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
Why not? I dated several black women and some of my best friends are gay. I don't care what you think fly, it was a joke. Pull the stick out and relax.

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
He did not support prop 8, however the people of california have voted.....

gays, lesbians, and other alternate lifestyles lost
period.

but watch Obama reverse this somehow, probably thru the courts with nom for scotus. and other fed judges.. or even pres order

he has to have his gay and lesbian and alternate lifestyle followers happy, heck with the majority of californian

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:

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In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

Friends, Romans, Americans, Countrymen...lend me your kweers.

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Originally posted by mainedawg:

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:

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In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

Friends, Romans, Americans, Countrymen...lend me your kweers.

Seth, you are running on a fine line with your comment about Gay people.

Mainedawg
Moderator

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Originally posted by R102:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:

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Originally posted by Jeannot23:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
He did not support prop 8, however the people of california have voted.....

gays, lesbians, and other alternate lifestyles lost
period.

but watch Obama reverse this somehow, probably thru the courts with nom for scotus. and other fed judges.. or even pres order

he has to have his gay and lesbian and alternate lifestyle followers happy, heck with the majority of californian

In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

EG, "rich and poor, white and black, gay and straight...."

so??

have the people of california decided this or not??

It's not over till it's over old man.

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Originally posted by Ira1945:

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Originally posted by R102:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:

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Originally posted by Jeannot23:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
He did not support prop 8, however the people of california have voted.....

gays, lesbians, and other alternate lifestyles lost
period.

but watch Obama reverse this somehow, probably thru the courts with nom for scotus. and other fed judges.. or even pres order

he has to have his gay and lesbian and alternate lifestyle followers happy, heck with the majority of californian

In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

EG, "rich and poor, white and black, gay and straight...."

so??

have the people of california decided this or not??

It's not over till it's over old man.

once again, and this only requires a simple answer. if the same electorate voted in your choice Obama, did not the same electorate vote down marriage between "lets say alternate life styles"

or did the only vote for Obama count???

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:

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Originally posted by R102:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:

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Originally posted by Jeannot23:

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
He did not support prop 8, however the people of california have voted.....

gays, lesbians, and other alternate lifestyles lost
period.

but watch Obama reverse this somehow, probably thru the courts with nom for scotus. and other fed judges.. or even pres order

he has to have his gay and lesbian and alternate lifestyle followers happy, heck with the majority of californian

In his speeches, Obama always included gays when he was mentioning the various kinds of Americans.

EG, "rich and poor, white and black, gay and straight...."

so??

have the people of california decided this or not??

It's not over till it's over old man.

once again, and this only requires a simple answer. if the same electorate voted in your choice Obama, did not the same electorate vote down marriage between "lets say alternate life styles"

or did the only vote for Obama count???

One would think that a vote for Obama would be inclusive of a vote for all of his policies as well. I thought Obama spoke of this before the election.

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Originally posted by Ira1945:
are you saying that the vote on prop 8 does not count??

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
Proposition 8 was a California State ballot proposition that amended the state Constitution to restrict the definition of marriage to a union between a man and a woman. It overrode a recent California Supreme Court decision that had recognized same-sex marriage in California as a fundamental right. The official ballot title language for Proposition 8 is "Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry." The entirety of the text to be added to the constitution was: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

The campaigns for and against Proposition 8 raised $35.8 million and $37.6 million, respectively, becoming the highest-funded campaign on any state ballot that day and surpassing every campaign in the country in spending except the presidential contest. The proponents argued for exclusively heterosexual marriage while claiming that failure to change the constitution would require changes to school curriculum and threaten church tax benefits. The opponents argued that eliminating the rights of any Californian and mandating that one group of people be treated differently from everyone else was unfair and wrong.
Contents
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* 1 Results
o 1.1 Demographics
* 2 Uncertainty and challenges
* 3 History of the ballot initiative
o 3.1 Changes to ballot title and summary
o 3.2 Early legal challenges
* 4 Campaign Contributors
o 4.1 Campaign spending
o 4.2 Proponents
o 4.3 Opponents
+ 4.3.1 Protectmarriage.com letter to Equality California donors
* 5 Opinion polls
* 6 See also
* 7 References
* 8 External links

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Originally posted by PhoenixDark:
It took a Presidential Order and the Courts getting involved for black kids to be able to go to the same schools as white kids.
If left to the voters in those states, how long do you think it would have taken for a desegregation bill to pass? They would still be segregated to this day in all probability.

If it takes a Presidential directive and the courts getting involved for gays to finally have the same rights as heterosexuals, so be it.