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Hi, I am looking to find out about my fathers background in the military. He is now gone and I don't really know anything about it. I just know he never really wanted to talk so I was a good daughter and never asked. I have his separation papers from the Korean war and WWII which I am on that discussion site also. I would love to have some information on reading these and learning them. Here is some of the Information that I can make out. They were burned in the 1971 fire in St. Louis. :

NAME: George Sheldon Stafford
SERVICE NUMBER: RA 35 847 754
SPECIALTY NUMBER OR SYMBOL: 4345
REASON AND AUTHORITY FOR SEPARATION:
Conv of the Govt AR 615-365 & DA MSG 312757 dtd 17 Mar 52
PLACE OF SEPARATION: Hq. 5th Infantry Division (wondering what his unit was?)
He reenlisted for a 3 year invol. ext 1 year (looks like something L 624)

MOST SIGNIFICANT DUTY ASSIGNMENT:
Headquarter Company 5th Infantry Division

Also found something stating REMARKS:
35 days lost under sec 6a App 2b MCM 1951 Provisions of Univ Tng & Service Act explained. Does anyone know what this means?

If you need anything more let me know that is what I can read from his papers. Thank you Sharon
 
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Thanks for posting your Korean War era questions in the Forum. Here's what I can determine from your comments (maybe more after you post a scanned image of the records).

It looks like your father was discharged for the purpose of reenlistment in 1952 or 1953. 5th Infantry Division was based at Indiantown Gap Military Reservation, Pennsylvania, from March 1, 1951, until it was inactivated September 1, 1953. The Division was reactivated in Germany, May 25, 1954. Does his record show date of separation and place of separation?

"SPECIALTY NUMBER OR SYMBOL: 4345" MOS 4345 was Light Truck Driver during the Korean War period.

"35 days lost under sec 6a App 2b MCM 1951" means that sometime during his enlistment he was absent without leave (AWOL) for 35 days and under the provisions of Section 6 (a) Appendix 2b, Manual for Courts Martial, 1951. These "lost days" were added to his term of enlistment and he had to serve an extra 35 days at the end of his enlistment. "AWOL" sounds bad but AWOL was no big deal back then....it happened all the time.

"Provisions of Univ Tng & Service Act explained" is legal boilerplate meaning that his obligation for further military service under the draft law in effect then was explained to him at time of discharge.
 
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Thank you. That helps some on his Korean separation papers. Wow now I have to work hard on getting my scanner fixed so I can get the documents on here so I can know his unit and where they were stationed. Would be lovely to talk to some that knew him. I alos wanted to see if I can find his units picture or anything on here cause I want to make a shadow box with his medals....Sharon..
 
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Ok this worked. I am posting my dads separation papers from the Korean war.


I hope this helps some. I will post a picture of him . I just hope it works.



Thanks again. Sharon
 
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Hard to read but it looks like he was honorably discharged in the rank of Corporal on April 4, 1952. His unit at discharge was Headquarters Company, 5th Infantry Division, which was at Indiantown Gap Military Reservation, Pennsylvania, at that time (the letter "I" is just visible at the burnt edge of the line showing 5th Infantry Division, i.e., "Indiantown"). He was in Korea during the war and he earned the Korean War Service Medal with one silver campaign star device (in lieu of 5 bronze star devices) and the United Nations Service Medal. He was also entitled to the National Defense Service Medal, which was established in April 1953 for active service between June 1950 and July 1954. He would have worn these service medals after his WWII medals, as shown here:

Unfortunately, his unit in Korea is not given here (5th Infantry Division was not in Korea). Depending on his unit, he may be entitled to other awards. Do you know?
 
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Wow! I am glad to see all these ribbons in order. I do not have a picture of him in uniform but I am on a quest to find one. I have been talking to his sisters and brothers (3 of them were also in the service) and I am getting stories about how he was hurt several times in there. But I am not sure they are all true. So I am waiting for more of his papers, if St. Louis, can find them. I will post more as I get them. If you find anything else out please keep me posted. I notice you are also helping me with his WWII papers also. I so much appreciated this. Again thank you.
 
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Sharon,
I am doing the EXACT same thing as you. My dad was from Maine and was in the Army from 51 -54 then he went into the reserves, went to college on the GI bill.
All that I have is his DD 214 and I have no idea what the numbers mean. If anyone can help me, I would very much appreciate it.
He never wanted to talk about the Korean War. I never pushed the subject.
His name was Harlow "Joe" Floyd was an Army Ranger Jumpmaster. It said Intantry school in Ft. Benning,GA in '52
Indiantown Gap Mil Res, PA. in'52
Ft. Benning again in '53
Ft. Bragg, NC in '54
It stated his medals that he received-National Defense Service Medal, Prcht Badge Par 54 SO 178 Hq TIC Ft. Bennig, Ga. 1 Aug 52, Good Conduct Medal Par 6 SO 234 504th AIR Ft Bragg, N.C. 13 Nov. 54
Under #28. Most sig. duty assignment it is hard to read the first few letters but then says 504th AIR.
Can anyone help me??

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Most of the coding on you show here from your father's DD-214 is administrative and pretty meaningless (unless you are determined to do some deep research into his military records). A few of the coded entries are more interesting from the standpoint of his military history. For instance, "504th AIR" was 504th Airborne Infantry Regiment (which still exists today at 504th Infantry Regiment) and the illegible letters in item #28 probably identify the company he was assigned to (perhaps something like "CO A"?)

Here is an image of the regimental insignia that your father most likely wore while he was assigned to 504th AIR (and you can link here for a brief history of the regiment):



For most of its existence, 504th Infantry has been assigned to 82nd Airborne Division. Here is the shoulder patch your father would have wore while he was stationed at Ft. Bragg:



From the information that you have posted, it appears that your father did not serve in Korea during the War. 82nd Airborne Division was in strategic reserve during the Korean War and was not deployed outside the United States. A few other airborne units saw very limited wartime service in Korea. There may be more information of interest recorded on his DD-214 that we can interpret for you if you want to post an image of here as "4917943" has done.

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This is what is on my dad's papers, (he served in the Korean War)Release for Native? Military Service and transfred to Army Reserve to complete 8 years under Universial Military training and service No days lost under section 6a APP 2b MCM 1951 Prt-2 (P) 2 Oct 1952

Can anyone explain this to me
 
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Originally posted by Wailuna:
Most of the coding on you show here from your father's DD-214 is administrative and pretty meaningless (unless you are determined to do some deep research into his military records). A few of the coded entries are more interesting from the standpoint of his military history. For instance, "504th AIR" was 504th Airborne Infantry Regiment (which still exists today at 504th Infantry Regiment) and the illegible letters in item #28 probably identify the company he was assigned to (perhaps something like "CO A"?)

Here is an image of the regimental insignia that your father most likely wore while he was assigned to 504th AIR (and you can link here for a brief history of the regiment):



For most of its existence, 504th Infantry has been assigned to 82nd Airborne Division. Here is the shoulder patch your father would have wore while he was stationed at Ft. Bragg:



From the information that you have posted, it appears that your father did not serve in Korea during the War. 82nd Airborne Division was in strategic reserve during the Korean War and was not deployed outside the United States. A few other airborne units saw very limited wartime service in Korea. There may be more information of interest recorded on his DD-214 that we can interpret for you if you want to post an image of here as "4917943" has done.

Thanks so much for your help. I appreciate any feedback I can get. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Sincerely,
Kim
 
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Originally posted by Kimfloyd:...Thanks so much for your help. I appreciate any feedback I can get. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Sincerely, Kim...

You're welcome. The images that I posted in my reply are not visible today (July 20, 2008) as the server where they are located is temporarily off-service. You might want to check back here in a day or two to see the images.
 
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