I see that there are alot of us looking for info about relatives war records during WW II. I hope very much someone here can help me. I would like to find my father's unit and any other information available about his tour of duty during WW II.
I got some info from records I found at the ancestry web site, but it's not very complete. From what I gather in his war time diary (isn't much left of it) and some photos we have, he was in North Africa, Italy, Germany & France. His terms of enlistment were for 3 years, but from what I was told, he was actually over there for nearly 5 years.
One photo of him shows his arm insignia, but it's blurry and small and I can't tell if there are 3 or 4 inverted 'v' shaped stripes on it. Another photo has him listed as T.Sgt.
The following is what I have from the ancestry web site:
Raymond L Hanebury
born May 17, 1916 (in Newfoundland)
At time of inlistment: residing in Brooklyn, New York
City of enlistment: Jamaica, NY
Enlistment date: 3/27/1941
Branch: Immaterial-Warrant Officers, USA
That's about all I have.
I would like to know what his Unit was, what exact rank he held and anything else I can get.
my Father passed away in Feb. 1977. He's buried at the Long Island Vet's Cemetary and their info states: T/4 US Army (his burial plot # is: section V, site 205b....not sure that will help, but included it anyway)
THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for any way you can help me.
It sounds like your father's rank was technician 4th grade (frequently abbreviated as "T/4"), which is different than technical sergeant (T/Sgt.) Here is what technician insignia looked like:
Is this what your picture shows (you scan your pictures and post them here)?
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The best place to start is Ordering Military Records.
Your father's records would have been in the area that suffered the most damage from a fire at the Military Records Center on July 12, 1973 (St. Louis Fire) and may have been destroyed. There are alternate sources for locating information. You can also check with county seat where you father lived after he got out. Many veteran's registered copies of their separation documents.
Thank you...I tried scanning the photo, but it's such a small photo and so old, no matter how much I tried to fix it up, it's just too blurry. I used a magnifier and it sure looks like the insignia is the one you show for Technician 4th Grade. Yet the text that is typed onto the photo, which looks to be taken from some kind of a magazine or newpsper file, is just like this: T.Sgt Raymond L. Hanebury
What can you tell me about that 'rank'...and was he a tech or a Top Sgt?? He spoke of combat and 'his guys'. I also have several photos of him in the places I mentioned in my first post...N.Africa, Germany, Italy, France...one says on the back--Italy 1943, another says-Germany 1945, another says 'Our chow line at Duvivier', another says "somewhere between Tunis and Carthage".
I want to find out what unit he was with and what he did.
Can you be of any further help?
PSimon... thank you also...I hope his records were not in that fire. I am going to check the link you posted, but I'll have to see how much money they want to order his records...
meantime...maybe someone else will post to try and help me out. This is quite important to me and my family.
Thank you both and will look foward to anything else you have to say.
I used that link and went thru the steps...I will be mailing in the request form about my dad's service record, which is free because I am a next of kin. If I get anything from this place, it's going to take several weeks at best.
So, I am still in hopes that I'll get some more help right here.
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Joanie1947, email me at firstname.lastname@example.org. I'll have more info for you.
I emailed you....thanks so very much.
Your father's entry at the VA Nationwide Gravesite Locator does show his rank as "T/4" which was one of several ways used to abbreviate the official long title: Technician Fourth Grade (the official abbreviation was "Tec 4"). Technical Sergeant was another rank altogether, two grades above Tec 4. "Top Sergeant" was slang for First Sergeant, which was three grades above Tec 4. Here is a chart that shows Army rank titles, grades, and insignia in use during most of WWII:
There a huge difference between Tec 4 and Technical Sergeant and First Sergeant. If there is any doubt in your mind about your father's actual rank, his Report of Separation will answer the question. PSimon is offering to help you with that and I would accept his offer if I were you.
Once you learn the identification of your father's unit in North Africa, I recommend that you find a copy of An Army at Dawn by Rick Atkinson. It is a detailed and authoritative history of the U.S. Army in North Africa campaigns in 1942/43.
Thanks for trying to post that picture of your father. How about the others? Are they in better shape and can you post them here? His pictures may contain other useful information that we can feedback to you.
Id start looking at maybe Japan or Italy or Germany. I bet your family had dirt to hide and mold to cover.
What?? Dirt and mold to cover?
Sorry, but I don't understand your post at all.
Ignore it, joanie. Numbers is obviously an infant troll that escaped from the research lab.
THANK YOU...you may be right about that!!
Makes you wonder about some people.
Have a good one, and thanks again for your reply.
You're welcome. Sorry I couldn't offer any help with your questions, though. I've never had to try to track anyone down so I'm at a loss as to offering any advice on it. I do wish you luck with your quest, though.
I do hope 'numbers' sees these posts and feels like the dufas that he apparently is.
I am making progress with tracking down what my father did over there...and exactly what unit he served with.
One member asked if I would post some photos that I have, thinking he might figure out something from the photos...but they are so old that after scanning them to my computer and taking a look, they come out too faded/blurry to see much...they are fine as the originals, but after scanning.
Anyway, thanks for your kind words and coming to 'my rescue'!!!
im not a dufus joanie i just suggested you look in Japan or Italy or Germany beccause you may be surprised at where your familys veteran information comes up. they may have been nazis. id watch out.
Yeah, U.S. Army T/4's were commonplace in the armies of Japan, Italy, and Germany during the war.
Geeze, what is wrong with you??
Sorry, bud, but I even wonder why you are on this forum.
You may also want to obtain a copy of his 2nd book that was just released. I obtained an advance copy from on-line book store. Atkinson's 2nd book is "The Day of Battle" that covers the Campaign in Sicily and the battles in Italy up to the fall of Rome in June 1944. This is his 2nd volume of the trilogy he is writing.
First, though, you need to indentify his specific unit. Do you have a photo that shows a shoulder patch for his division? Do you or any family have any correspondence? This can have his unit ID or info as to Dates and Places (in general of course).
Was he in infantry? Air Force? This might be visible on the collar disk. Any info on what he did, maybe an artilleryman with an infantry division or a signalman.
If we assume these were the countries that he served in AND that he remained in the same basic unit, then this will help narrow down the search.
Sometimes, a veteran will say that he served in North Africa and Italy but in reality, his first stop on the voyage over was in N. Africa and his actual combat service was only in Italy. It helps to distinguish areas where he went from the areas where he saw combat.
Many of the units that fought in North Africa, may have served in Sicily but didn't go on serve in Italy. The three main units that served in N. Africa and Italy were the 1st Armored Division and the 3rd Infantry Division and the 34th Infantry Division. The 45th Infantry Division arrived to fight in Sicily and then in Italy, however they did stop in N. Africa first. The 1st Infantry Division served in N. Africa and Sicily but then left for UK to prepare for Normandy and did not go to Italy(mainland).
In August 1944, the VI Corps was pulled out of the 5th Army and prepared for the invasion of Southern France. Of the previously named units, the ones that left Italy for France were the 3rd and 45th Infantry Division. So if he was in the 1st Armored of the 34th Infantry Division, he would not have gone to France or Germany.
This covers only the larger divisions. There were many smaller battalions that were attached to Corps or Divisions, such as independant Field Artillery battalions, engineer battalions and Tank and Tank Destroyer Battalions. There were many of these smaller units that transitioned from the Italian mainland to France with the VI Corps or even to other areas.
So there are a lot of possibilities. However, my guess is that he was with the VI Corps invasion of Southern France. If he was a member of an infantry division, then it had to be either the 3rd or the 45th Infantry Divisions.
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