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Originally posted by stever126:
Ordmate,

I agree,everyone should read the book "Flyboys".
The most compelling book on Japan and their POW's. The way Japanese Officers acted. It's a terrible reason for forgiveness and none should have been allowed to survive, much less become a Mitsubishi Executive. There are a bunch of those animals from Chichi Jima that's shoveling coal in hell.

P.S.
Hirohito should of been hanged in Toyko in 1945.

Stever you'll get no argument out me on that. We have BUG OUT DOUG to thank for the kindness shown the japs. He wanted them to save face. In retrospect we can second guess everything that was done and the results would still be the same. The japanese themselves rewrote thier "constitusion so that they would not have a force capable of waging war. I have wondered if the relationship between the country's would be the same, had we heavyhanded them like we did the germans.

Yes. Ask this question of the Chinese, especially the survivors from Nanking.

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What do you base your assumption on ?I was in japan in the early 60's and they were friendly towards us,(except the cop's).

I have not studied the subject under discussion but would venture one comment -

If you are enforcing an oil embargo on a nation and have a fully battle armed battle fleet on that nation's doorstep in order to enforce that embargo - then you should perhaps expect some sort of reaction and not bleat "foul play" if your battle fleet is caught with its pants round its ankles

"I have not studied the subject under discussion . . ."

Obviously.

You could start with looking at a globe; "doorstep", indeed.

Then see what you can find out about using the Pacific Fleet to "enforce" said embargo.

Sheeesch.

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Originally posted by RLeonard2:
"I have not studied the subject under discussion . . ."

Obviously...

And after examining each post in the foregoing thread, I find scant evidence of bleating about "foul play" anywhere. Perhaps you will enlighten us by quoting directly from the post to which you refer.

In the meantime, please accept the following as an offer to save you the time and effort of studying the subject under discussion for yourself: After the U.S. fleet "caught with pants round its ankles," the United States joined with its WWII allies, in fact, as well as in spirit, to participate in thoroughly defeating the Axis powers in every theater of operation in less than four years. Sorry, but there doesn't seem to be much in this story to whine about, except on the losing side.

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japan got the embargo because they invaded china they where not innocent they killed for fun

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Originally posted by kraaipan:
I have not studied the subject under discussion but would venture one comment -

If you are enforcing an oil embargo on a nation and have a fully battle armed battle fleet on that nation's doorstep in order to enforce that embargo - then you should perhaps expect some sort of reaction and not bleat "foul play" if your battle fleet is caught with its pants round its ankles

So, when the US Pacific Fleet was attacked at Pearl Harbor it was being used to enforce an enbargo of Japan. Kraiipan must be confusing an embargo with a blockade. In a blockade Naval forces stop shipping from reaching a particular nation. In an embargo, nations agree not to sell to a particular country. In the case of Japan, shipments of oil, aviation fuel, and scrap metal was stopped. They never left port.


The Pacific fleet was attacked at Japan's "doorstep" if that doorstep extends all the way to the Hawaiian Islands!