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For those of you who have always wanted to see a World War II-era superdreadnought battleship of the YAMATO class up close, this may be your chance. Still isn't this considered a desecration of a war grave, even if this was a ship that belonged to a former enemy back then?
From the Manila Bulletin newspaper website:
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I wonder if the sister ship Shinano which was converted to a carrier would be next. It was sunk by the submarine Archerfish just off the coast of Japan.
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I have to wonder about the sanity of some people wanting to burn billions on something like this? My first question would be have they really done any peliminary dives on this wreck to see what kind of shape its in? As far as damage to the hull for being able to refloat it?
There was alot of torpedo and bomb damage to get this thing to sink in the first place. This is hard to believe......... |
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My thoughts exactly. Considering the sheer size of the ship, that it absorbed at least 17 bombs and 19 torpedoes (by most accounts), and has been sitting on the bottom at a depth of over 4000 feet for 64 years, I've got to wonder what the hell they're smoking in Switzerland.  |
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Of the three Yamato class ships launched I would think that Shinano would be the best candidate for salvage. Musashi was extensivly damaged by both bombs and torpedoes. Yamato was blasted in half when her magazines exploded. Shinano was hit by only four torpedoes. The hull should be intact. She sank because of the lack of experience of her crew and the fact that all her water tight doors were not yet installed. She was, by far, the largest carrier constructed during the war. |
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All right Nekron! I thought of that when I first read the posting. I've got several DVDs from the TV show I used to watch with my sons, now my grandsons. I also have one of those sitting on my model ship shelf.
I agree I think the Shinano would be a more likely candidate to try and raise. |
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Didnt the US try something like this was a certain Russian Submarine that WASNT all blown to bits and that turned out real well didnt it. As it would be great to see done, I dont see it happening.
I havent even been about to see any of OUR US battleships yet. Only the Yorktown and the other ships there in Charlston SC. |
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The US didn't raise the entire submarine. If I remember correctly, we raised most of the missile compartment only. That Russian sub sank and was crushed by the depth.
And, it woud be a lot easier to raise a 7,500(?) ton sub than a 60-70,000+ ton battleship. BTW, the USS North Carloina is in Wilmington, NC. |
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Gumby is reffering to Project Jennifer. This was a Top Secret operation run by the CIA to raise the Soviet submarine K-129. The vessel used to raise the sub was the Hughes Glomar Explorer.
When K-129 was discovered on the ocean floor it was in two pieces. The plan was to raise the forward piece. Part way to the surface, the section of the sub broke again leaving apx 40 ft. section to be recovered. The remainder fell back to the ocean floor. The remains of six Soviet crewmen were recovered in the section brought to the surface and were given a memorial service and buried at sea with military honors. "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Jennifer" Based on the above, it would seem difficult, if not impossible to raise a 63,000+ ton vessel from the ocean. Of course if one were to fill the battleship with ping pong balls it would pop right up to the surface!  |
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Hell, they raised the Titanic in the movies; let's give the Hollyweirdo's a shot at it and see how long they can hold their breaths! |
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I read about this on another forum - and thought the Musashi was pretty intact too... but I was wrong. She suffered a massive explosion shortly after slipping beneath the waves. She, too, is in several large chunks, like her sister.
Absolutely wonderful looking warships though. Better lines than the Iowas, IMHO. |
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If you ever get to Washington, DC, there is a barrel from a Yamato class BB, alongside a US 16" barrel, on display at the Navy Museum at the Washington Nsvy Yard. The Navy Museum is housed in the old Navy Gun Factory. Pretty cool.
If you do go, be careful. The Navy Yard is not in the nicest part of town. |
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Wow ... frankly I think this is a great idea if they can pull it off. As someone really interested in shipwrecks I find this more than a bit fascinating. The technology and experience learned for something on this scale would have to go a long way in salvage ventures for the future too. I would just love to see the raise let alone actually take a look at the ship in any condition after breaking the surface. I wish them luck , cause it's just daunting when I think about doing something like this. Someone mentioned the Shinano too ... I wonder how difficult that would be?
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If the enemy is in range,So are you! F.I.I.G.M.O. On Warning: 10 days for personal attacks and disruptive post. Stillkit  |
If I remember correctly the three jap battleships had 19" main gun's while our's had 16"'er's. Do'es size really matter when they are that big I'm all for it,Let the swiss spend thier money. Think of all the japanese that will pay out good money to tour the the old girl |
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Close Chuck, they were 18" inchers. The Germans, the Nazis, had plans drawn up for a 20" inch main battery battleship.
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If the enemy is in range,So are you! F.I.I.G.M.O. On Warning: 10 days for personal attacks and disruptive post. Stillkit |
You are correct Darryl. Did that Battlewagon have Toepedo's on it ? |
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It's a War Grave, Leave it alone you greedy *******s
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If the enemy is in range,So are you! F.I.I.G.M.O. On Warning: 10 days for personal attacks and disruptive post. Stillkit |
GREEDY ******'s.? The same could be said of Pearl Harbor or any battle ground in the pacific. I don't care if they bring her up or not. IT'S a Japanese ship. If they don't care who are we to tell them ,NO. |
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Wow, I do not remember if it did or not? It seems to me that yes, but they were removed...... that has been so long since looking at those specs.
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