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--> NRA letter received today.www.NRAILA.org/mayors
HAS YOUR LOCAL MAYOR JOINED A NATIONAL ANTI-GUN GROUP? IF SO, URGE YOUR MAYOR TO RESIGN FROM THE BLOOMBERG COALITION TODAY September 14, 2009 Dear David Barker: Close to fifty mayors in Ohio have joined "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" (MAIG) which was founded and is funded by activist anti-gun billionaire and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Is your mayor one of them? Check to see by clicking here. Earlier this week, NRA members in these localities received postcards from us informing them that their mayor was a MAIG member. As a result of NRA members contacting these mayors, several mayors in Ohio have already resigned from MAIG. Despite its very misleading name, this national group of anti-gun mayors has lobbied Congress against national reciprocity of state Right-to-Carry permits, against much-needed reform of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), for regulating gun shows out of existence, and for repealing the Tiahrt Amendment that protects the privacy rights of law-abiding gun owners and limits disclosure of sensitive firearm trace data to protect law enforcement personnel and protect lawful gun manufacturers from bogus lawsuits. Bloomberg created "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" as a front group to lobby Congress to oppose important pro-gun reforms and support new federal gun control restrictions. And too many mayors in Ohio have joined this anti-gun Bloomberg crusade. If your mayor has joined MAIG, it is critical that he or she resign from this national anti-gun group. You can do your part by contacting your mayor's today and urging your mayor to withdraw his or her MAIG membership. Several mayors in Ohio have already quit this anti-gun Bloomberg coalition and your mayor should be the next one to do so. Using the contact information provided on this map, please call, e-mail and write your mayor today and ask them to support law-abiding gun owners by publicly disassociating themselves with Michael Bloomberg and "Mayors Against Illegal Guns." You may also visit www.NRAILA.org/mayors for more information. Help your mayor make the right choice between protecting our Second Amendment rights or continuing to be associated with those who actively oppose and undermine your firearms freedom. Mayor Dan Pillow Addyston, OH Mayor Donald Plusquellic Akron, OH Mayor Merle Gorden Beachwood, OH Mayor Daniel Pocek Bedford, OH Mayor Fletcher Berger Bedford Heights, OH Mayor John Licastro Bratenahl, OH Mayor Samuel Alai Broadview Heights, OH Mayor Mark Mallory Cincinnati, OH Mayor Frank Jackson Cleveland, OH Mayor Edward Kelley Cleveland Heights, OH Mayor Michael Coleman Columbus, OH Mayor Jack Bacci Cuyahoga Heights, OH Mayor Rhine McLin Dayton, OH Mayor Marilee Chinnici-Zuercher Dublin, OH Mayor Bill Cervenik Euclid, OH Mayor Theodore Shannon Fairfax, OH Mayor Thomas J. Longo Garfield Heights, OH Mayor Joseph C. Hubbard Glendale, OH Mayor Alan Zaffiro Golf Manor, OH Mayor Deborah Neale Lakeline, OH Mayor Michael Kolomichuk Lakemore, OH Mayor Jo Ann Toczek Linndale, OH Mayor Jim Brown Lockland, OH Mayor Donald Kuchta Macedonia, OH Mayor Gregory Costabile Mayfield Heights, OH Mayor Bruce Rinker Mayfield Village, OH Mayor Robert Shiner Mentor, OH Mayor Gary Starr Middleburg Heights, OH Mayor Susan Renda Moreland Hills, OH Mayor Thomas E. O'Grady North Olmsted, OH Mayor Kathy Mulcahy Orange Village, OH Mayor Martin Zanotti Parma Heights, OH Mayor Bruce Akers Pepper Pike, OH Mayor Daniel Ursu Richmond Heights, OH Mayor William Robertson Rittman, OH Mayor Earl M. Leiken Shaker Heights, OH Mayor John Smith Silverton, OH Mayor Kevin Patton Solon, OH Mayor Georgine Welo South Euclid, OH Mayor Matthew Brett South Russell, OH Mayor Carleton S. Finkbeiner Toledo, OH Mayor Darreyl D. Davis Trotwood, OH Mayor Katherine Procop Twinsburg, OH Mayor Beryl Rothschild University Heights, OH Mayor Jean Anderson Vermilion, OH Mayor Michael J. O'Brien Warren, OH Mayor Barry Porter Wyoming, OH Mayor Jay Williams Youngstown, OH Go here to get e-mail addresses:www.NRAILA.org/mayors NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION I will cast no stones. Another proud member, Derelict Veterans Group. “OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS”  |
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The NRA letter received today was for we Ohio dudes. Please check www.NRAILA.org/mayors for your state!
Worth repeating: NYC Mayor Bloomberg created "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" as a front group to lobby Congress to oppose important pro-gun reforms and support new federal gun control restrictions. And too many mayors in Ohio have joined this anti-gun Bloomberg crusade. If your mayor has joined MAIG, it is critical that he or she resign from this national anti-gun group. You can do your part by contacting your mayor's today and urging your mayor to withdraw his or her MAIG membership. I will cast no stones. Another proud member, Derelict Veterans Group. “OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS” |
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just out of curiosity... what exactly constitutes as an "illegal gun"?
i know that the sullivan Law in NYC was passed banning guns in city limits, but as far as illegal weapons go, is it not up to the municipallity or the state? the second ammendment grants us the freedom to keep and bear arms, but it does not limit the government from limiting it. i know it is a loophole that many have tried to exploit, but state law trumps federal law if it is constitutional. we have the right to keep and bear arms, but do we have the right to own a Patriot battery? or RPG's? or Vulcan guns? or Stinger missiles, SAM's, Howitzers and MLRS's? . where is the line drawn between arms and armiong a military force? where do we seperate the constitutionalists from the terrorists? |
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What is the NRA's recommendation for curtailing gun running to Mexico and south?
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Enforce the frickin' laws on the books. Bolster the border patrols. Nab the scumbags violating the law, and throw the book at them. |
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but the borders are for guarding from OUTSIDE sources, not inside... if we guard the border against outgoing weapons, we are curtailing freet rade. |
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forever Bubba’s cyber-babe Old Fart #5 ------------------- "Derelict Patriot" -------------------  |
Wow RRR ~ I think Elesso brought up an interesting question/point-of-view especially with America’s current, “political turmoil”
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forever Bubba’s cyber-babe Old Fart #5 ------------------- "Derelict Patriot" ------------------- |
Elesso ~ here’s another “point-of-view” I forwarded your question to my RTKBA peeps. . .below is an immediate response from a family member and a good one IMO!! “Based on my strict, personal, studied interpretation of the US Constitution, according to the original version established by our founding fathers, the Second Amendment, and the USSC's recent decision, there's no such thing as an "illegal" firearm. On the other hand, our Congress makes up its own rules daily, so an "illegal firearm" is whatever they say it is, from day to day, as long as we allow it. Our Congress ignores the Constitution and makes up whatever unconstitutional laws it wants. According to the USSC, any law in conflict with the US Constitution is, per se, immediately, naturally and automatically, null and void. It's as if there were never any such law. BTW, remember.... One man's terrorist is another man's patriot. Remember, too, that our founding fathers ~ George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Hancock, Ben Franklin and the others ~ were all labeled "traitors" and "terrorists." I find myself in very good company. I'm proud to be one of them. You say, "state law trumps federal law if it is constitutional." NO! Nothing trumps the US Constitution. It's the law of the land.  choose joy each day |
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MissU2 is my nominee!www.nrahq.org/women/index.asp
NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION Women's Awards Program In recognition of the significant contributions made by women in the areas of Second Amendment advocacy, education, volunteerism, hunting and shooting sports activities, the National Rifle Association bestows the: ⇒ Sybil Ludington Women's Freedom Award upon women whose contributions have been made at the national level ⇒ Marion P. Hammer Woman of Distinction Award upon women whose contributions have been made at the local, state and/or regional levels Award nominations for the 2010 awards are being accepted until November 1, 2009. Many women have made significant contributions in the areas listed above; you probably know a few of them. Please take a moment to nominate them for an award appropriate to their contributions. This is the perfect way to recognize their hard work and dedication. For more information about NRA's Women's Awards Program, please call Patty Zollman at 800-861-1166 or visit www.nrahq.org/women/index.asp to download to download nomination forms. Please note: Women may not be nominated for both the Sybil Ludington Women's Freedom Award and the Marion P. Hammer Woman of Distinction Award in the same year. DEADLINE FOR NOMINATIONS: NOVEMBER 1, 2009 ----------------------------------------------------- National Rifle Association * 11250 Waples Mill Road * Fairfax, VA 22030 I will cast no stones. Another proud member, Derelict Veterans Group. “OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS” |
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not to worry MissU... when he lashes out it makes him feel Accomplished. to him there is "them" and "us" and there are no people in between.. free thought is discouraged in his world |
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PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH... Super Member On Warning~Disrespectful of TOS "HB/OF 7"  |
DOESN'T YOUR STMT RE RR"S POINT OF VIEW SPEAK VOLUMES AGAINST YOUR OWN ARGUMENT
 JES WUNDERIN   "FORGET WHAT THEY SAY, WATCH WHAT THEY DO" |
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Illegal gun? Hmmmm, if it fits within the following it is not illegal. However it must fit in the Second Amendment as written.
June 26, 2009 marked the one-year anniversary of the landmark D.C. v. Heller case, in which the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and affirmed that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. The Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects "the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment." There are those who would still deny our Second Amendment freedoms are always looking for ways to thwart our success and reverse that decision. And while the case affirmed that the Second Amendment prohibits the federal government, and federal entities such as Washington, D.C., from banning handguns for self-defense, the decision did not resolve the separate question of whether the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments. Piracy And The Right To Self Defense: Previous we reported on the arming of merchant mariners to allow them to defend their crews and ships from pirate attacks. We noted that, with the increase in pirate attacks on the high seas, many are now realizing that firearms and armed citizens can be as effective a criminal deterrent at sea, as they are on land." I will cast no stones. Another proud member, Derelict Veterans Group. “OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS” |
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New member ------------------- Founding Member Derelict Veterans Group -------------------  |
Seems pretty clear to me:
"...the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That makes any law (fed., State, or local) that infringes on the individual right illegal. Some may quibble over the meaning of "infringe" or "arms" but the basic right now seems clear. What would give State or local gov. any more right to limit a Constitutional right than they have to limit other amendments (Bill of Rights)? |
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the point i am making is that we are not automatons to be programed with a constitution and not operate outside the confines imposed by such.
in the Declaration of Independence Pres. Jefferson wrote that men were all created equal (unless they were not white Christians), imbued with inalienable rights... etc. Fat chance that Gays be humans created equal, blah, blah... or that African Americans, or Hispanics, or any other group have "equal rights. we sit there and defend the rights we see fit, and ignore the rest... torture (water boarding) has been declared to be legal so that we may "enhance" our interrogation techniques. this is a case very akin to the extremist views. one poster said we have the "god given" right to keep arms.I'm all for the bill of rights, but when defending the second, you CANNOT infringe upon our FIRST amendment right. and the fact is, as we defend our right to bear arms, the 4th ammendmet has been shattered by illegal wire taps, No knock warrants, secret warrants, no Habeas corpus ... our 5th right has been basically suspended because of the previous statement. and the 8th (cruel and unjust punishment) has been stomped on so hard, i doubt we'll ever bounce back... folks.. we bicker away our rights, and what do we have left? a bunch of guns to make our last stand with... |
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