This was in VA News and associated items of interest.
We will have discussion on the proposed National Healthcare on this topic. Political opinions are here, so the thin skinned be aware. We do need to keep TOS as the foundation and remember we are all either active Armed Forces, veterans, or the supporters thereof!

From the Ironton Tribune and Charlie Wilson's office.
Remember do not shoot the messenger. This is for your review, you read, you decide.
Setting the record straight on health care
Published Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Congress wanted more time to study the health care bill, so we held off on voting until after August.
This issue affects every American and is key to putting our country on the path to long-term economic stability. I’m pleased that we have more time.
However, a lot of groups are using this time to spend millions of dollars to spread harmful myths designed to confuse and frighten you. I’d like to set the record straight on a few of the myths I hear the most.
1. Reforming health care will not lead to out of control deficit spending. The bill is paid for. Half of the bill is paid for in health care sector savings and half through a new surcharge on the richest 1 percent of Americans. Doing nothing, however, will lead to bigger deficits that will eat our budget alive.
2. This legislation will not insure illegal aliens.
3. This legislation will not create a government-run health care system. If you have employer-based private health care, and you like it, keep it. It will remain private and you will keep your doctors.
If you are a senior on Medicare, or are lower-income and currently receive your health care through Medicaid, your coverage will also stay the same.
However, if you don’t work or if your employer doesn’t offer health care coverage, you will be eligible for the health insurance exchange. The exchange will include several private options and a public option.
The presence of a public option will be good for competition. It will establish minimum coverage standards and prevent private insurers from excluding those with pre-existing conditions or dropping the sick from their rolls.
4. There is nothing in the bill that will lead to rationing health care. Currently, insurance companies make many major health decisions. This bill puts that important power in your hands and your doctors’ hands.
In other words, insurance companies will no longer be able to ration care by retroactively canceling policies when patients become sick or refuse to cover important services.
5. Offering a public insurance option, as just one of the choices available to consumers, will not crowd out employer-based coverage.
However, if we do nothing and costs continue to rise, more employers will be forced to drop coverage. If we reform the system and contain costs, which will help employers, they’ll keep offering coverage in order to compete for good workers in competitive labor market.
6. This reform will not cost jobs even though it requires employers to offer health insurance or pay to opt out. Under our current system there is no requirement for employers to offer insurance, yet 99-percent of large firms do and nearly 65-percent of small firms do. For the firms offering coverage already, health reform will bring much needed competition and affordability to the insurance market.
Finally, a 50-percent credit to help pay for premiums will be available for small businesses. In Ohio’s Sixth Congressional District, 11,300 small businesses could receive tax credits to help cover their employees.
7. Seniors’ coverage under Medicare will actually benefit, not be cut. 9,200 seniors in my district, who currently get caught by the Medicare Part D donut hole in their prescription coverage, will avoid that pitfall because we’re closing the hole.
In addition, this bill will eliminate the 21 percent scheduled reduction in physician payments, which was planned for 2011, ensuring that seniors have access to the doctors they need and deserve.
8. There is a terrible myth being spread that health care reform promotes euthanasia. Not true.
If a doctor and a patient choose to have a conversation about end-of-life care and advance care planning, this legislation simply provides Medicare the ability to pay for the doctors’ time.
This type of counseling is already going on, and doctors should be the ones providing it to patients and families who wish to have it as they face a terminal illness and have to make decisions about pain management and resuscitation.
9. Finally, staying the course with our current health care system is not an option. Last year, just in my district, nearly 1,300 families had to declare bankruptcy because of health related expenses.
Hospitals and doctors in my district provided $89 million to care for the uninsured. That cost was then passed on to those who had insurance, driving up rates. Without reform, the average cost for a family insurance policy increases by $1,800 each year.
Doing nothing will more than double all of our health costs over the next ten years.
That skyrocketing cost will strip millions more Americans of their coverage and it will send our deficit spending through the roof.
That is the health care plan we choose by doing nothing.
Charlie Wilson represents Ohio’s 6th District in the U.S. House of Representatives.

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Posted Wed 12 August 2009 12:51 PM
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Posted Wed 12 August 2009 02:47 PM
HERE...READ THIS PRACTICING PHYSICIAN'S REVIEW OF THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL:

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July 23, 2009


As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the healthcare bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a healthcare system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our healthcare system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.

I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.


Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!

Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs. (About time … In my home town … power driven wheelchairs are given away like candy. My father who walks well was told by a recipient that he could help him get one.)

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?

Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.

Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!

Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

To my Senator/Congressman, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.

Furthermore, If you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor/patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.

Respectfully,

Stephen E Fraser MD

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Ron, this is totally false. Dave posted it elsewhere. This list comes from someone's list of twister. It was not written by a doctor. I have disproved above a number of the entries.

Dave Barker previous posted this, and I have disproved a number of the items.


I am going line by line. Ron this post is inaccurate on many of the lines and in most cases reads view into the bill that is not shared by the text. I have read a large portion of the bill.

This is section 152 - please tell me where you see the word illegal?

SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.

(a) In General- Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

(b) Implementation- To implement the requirement set forth in subsection (a), the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall, not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, promulgate such regulations as are necessary or appropriate to insure that all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act are provided (whether directly or through contractual, licensing, or other arrangements) without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

(5) AUDITS- The Secretary shall conduct annual audits of claims data submitted by participating employment-based plans under this section to ensure that they are in compliance with the requirements of this section.

I can not respond to the second because the markup version of the bill is hard to access - the version with page numbers.

(1) IN GENERAL- There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans.

SEC. 124. PROCESS FOR ADOPTION OF RECOMMENDATIONS; ADOPTION OF BENEFIT STANDARDS.

(a) Process for Adoption of Recommendations-

(1) REVIEW OF RECOMMENDED STANDARDS- Not later than 45 days after the date of receipt of benefit standards recommended under section 123 (including such standards as modified under paragraph (2)(B)), the Secretary shall review such standards and shall determine whether to propose adoption of such standards as a package.

(2) DETERMINATION TO ADOPT STANDARDS- If the Secretary determines--

(A) to propose adoption of benefit standards so recommended as a package, the Secretary shall, by regulation under section 553 of title 5, United States Code, propose adoption such standards; or

(B) not to propose adoption of such standards as a package, the Secretary shall notify the Health Benefits Advisory Committee in writing of such determination and the reasons for not proposing the adoption of such recommendation and provide the Committee with a further opportunity to modify its previous recommendations and submit new recommendations to the Secretary on a timely basis.

See above post on illegals.

(D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card; (SO THE DOCTOR WILL KNOW WHO IS PAYING)

`(4) REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC STANDARDS- The standards under this section shall be developed, adopted and enforced so as to--

`(A) clarify, refine, complete, and expand, as needed, the standards required under section 1173;

`(B) require paper versions of standardized transactions to comply with the same standards as to data content such that a fully compliant, equivalent electronic transaction can be populated from the data from a paper version;

`(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice;

`(D) require timely and transparent claim and denial management processes, including tracking, adjudication, and appeal processing;

`(E) require the use of a standard electronic transaction with which health care providers may quickly and efficiently enroll with a health plan to conduct the other electronic transactions provided for in this part; and

(THIS IS DOCTORS PAYMENTS)

SEC. 164. REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES.
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall establish a temporary reinsurance program (in this section referred to as the `reinsurance program') to provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees.

(2) DEFINITIONS- For purposes of this section:

(A) The term `eligible employment-based plan' means a group health benefits plan that--

(i) is maintained by one or more employers, former employers or employee associations, or a voluntary employees' beneficiary association, or a committee or board of individuals appointed to administer such plan, and

(ii) provides health benefits to retirees.
SO THIS COVERS ALL EMPLOYERS WHO FIT DESCRIPTION NOT JUST ACORN

SEC. 201. ESTABLISHMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE; OUTLINE OF DUTIES; DEFINITIONS.

(a) Establishment- There is established within the Health Choices Administration and under the direction of the Commissioner a Health Insurance Exchange in order to facilitate access of individuals and employers, through a transparent process, to a variety of choices of affordable, quality health insurance coverage, including a public health insurance option.

Section 203 sets several levels of of insurance in the exchange program.

Ron, this post is total BS. I found this information on several sites attributed to Peter Fleckenstein. Even that is in question. I spent a lot of time because regardless of your view (or mine) on the bill, we all need to have the truth on what is in the legislation being proposed.

There is a Stephen E. Fisher licensed in Indiana. No one has been able to confirm he wrote the letter. The unique nature of the practice of anesthesiology makes me doubt it.
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Posted Wed 12 August 2009 04:22 PM
RESPONSES TO MYTHS CONCERNING HR 3200
False claims on H.R. 3200, the healthcare reform bill in the U.S. House, are growing
increasingly widespread, especially on the Internet and in forwarded emails. Below you
will find passages from one such widely forwarded email. Each passage claims to
describe a specific page or section of the bill, and each passage is either partially or
wholly untrue. In bold beneath each claim we describe what each section of the bill
actually addresses.

This is a prime example of the sort of misinformation being circulated. There are
legitimate disagreements over what shape health care reform should take, but the
discussion should center on facts and not misleading or false claims.

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Page 22 of H.R. 3200 requests a study, not an audit, of the effects to which rating rules are likely to cause adverse selection in the large group market and employer self insurance market insurance market. This does not require an audit of ALL employers that self insure

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits u get

Nothing in the bill infringes upon you and your doctor’s ability to make medical decisions. The National Health Benefits Advisory Council is ot a “government committee” but is made up of providers, consumer representatives, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, independent
experts and representatives of government agencies. They will make recommendations about minimum standards of care and covered benefits
that insurance companies have to offer-ensuring that everyone has a health plan that provides them with adequate coverage.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

This is a misreading of the text. This section limits the amount of out-of pocket costs you will face to $5,000 for an individual and 10,000 (indexed to CPI) for a family for a basic package of care. This ensures you have access to affordable care and won’t go bankrupt paying for it.

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices cmmissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

The Health Choices Commissioner is charged with ensuring insurance plans are meeting regulations and minimum standards as well as administering affordability credits and monitoring the exchange. Nothing in this section or in the larger bill permits the Health Choices Commissioner to choose your
benefits for you

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or
otherwise

This is blatantly false. This section prohibits insurance companies from discriminating against persons when issuing coverage, and has nothing to do with government subsidized coverage to illegal immigrants. The bill explicitly states that no Federal payments will be used for ffordability credits for illegal immigrants. (P. 143, sec. 246).

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individuals' finances & a National ID
Healthcard will be issued!

This section says nothing about a National ID health card, or accessing your personal financial information. This section promotes administrative simplification- for example being able to look up your insurance coverage
and determine how much you will pay and which provider your insurance will accept, at the point of service. This saves money and gives you, the consumer, information about what you will owe at the front end, rather than being denied or getting a surprise bill from your insurance company weeks after your treatment.

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds
transfer

This section encourages the development of standards to encourage electronic payments between providers and insurance companies. Administrative simplification measures like these save billions of dollars. Nothing will give the government access to your bank account.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

This section provides a limited reimbursement for participating employment based private plans for part of the cost of providing health benefits to retirees (age 55-64) and their families. People who have been forced into
early retirement in this age group do not qualify for Medicare and this will help them stay on their employer provided, private insurance plan if their employer wants to participate. Participation is voluntary. This is for all early retirees, and no language targets the provision towards unions or
acorn.

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt
control.

The bill imposes new regulations on private health care plans that will force them to end unethical practices such as rescissions or denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. The Exchange will improve the quality of coverage and increase the affordability of private insurers in the Exchange.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the
Exchange

Insurance companies in the Exchange will have to offer a basic benefit packages in every service area. This package will include basic care such as hospitalization, physician visits, medical equipment, mental health, preventative care, maternity and well baby care, and drugs – services that anyone would expect a real insurance policy to cover. Private insurers may
offer a higher tier of coverage with more benefits that are not mandated by the government if they choose.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur
Healthcare!

No, this determines the minimum standards insurance companies must offer coverage for- it has nothing to do with rationing. Private plans can offer extra benefits like dental or vision coverage for adults, or other non-covered benefits that are not included in the basic level plan.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4
illegal aliens

The bill requires plans in the Exchange to offer culturally and linguistic appropriate services. The U.S. is a diverse country ulturally and linguistically. Many legal residents and citizens of the U.S. speak other
languages, and implying that everyone of a different culture in the U.S. is here illegally is intolerant and incorrect. The bill xplicitly states that it will not subsidize coverage for illegal immigrants. (P. 143, sec. 246).

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign
up indiv. for Govt HC plan

The Health Choices Commissioner will conduct outreach and enrollment activities to educate Exchange-eligible individuals and businesses about enrollment in the new Exchange, which includes many private plans along with the public option. This includes a toll-free hotline, maintenance of a website, creation of outreach materials, and community locations for
enrollment.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

This section has nothing to do with seniors or Medicare. It describes the minimum benefits insurance plans must offer under the Exchange.

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

Current law allows individuals to be auto-nrolled in Medicaid if they show up for health services and are eligible, so this is not a radical change. Only individuals that fall under 133% of the poverty level who have not had health insurance for six months will be auto-enrolled.

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review"
against Govt Monop

There is no judical or administrative review for the payment rates set for the public option.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

This section outlines payment policies for physicians participating in the public option only. No physician has to take the public option.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

No. You get to choose your health insurance from the choices your employer offers you. If you fail to do so, your employer will auto-enroll you in the lowest premium health plan (for employees) unless or until you opt into a
different plan. You could not be auto-enrolled into the public option in the vast majority of cases because the public option is not even available outside the Exchange (only to individuals and small businesses). The bill specifically mandates that employers provide employees with info on how to opt out of
the auto-enrollment coverage.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.(this will insure bankruptcies of many small businesses)

Employers will only pay a proportion of what they must pay for full-time employees. There is also a tax credit equal to 50% of the amount paid by a small employer for employee health coverage available to help with these costs and other protections to ensure that new equirements don’t cause undue hardship for small businesses.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll (this will insure more bankruptcies of many small businesses)

All businesses, except [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] some small businesses that are exempted, must contribute to their employees’ health insurance.[Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] Most employers that are required to provide coverage
under this bill already provide coverage—so little will change for them under this bill. they will continue to offer the coverage that they do today, and will not pay a tax. Some employers may choose to do so through the Exchange, [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] but no employer nor employees will [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] be forced to choose [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] any option.

Employers that don’t contribute to employees’ health care will make a contribution to the Exchange, so their employees can access coverage there.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesn't prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll (this will insure even more bankruptcies of many small businesses)

All businesses, except [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] certain small businesses that are exempted, must contribute to their employees’ health insurance.
[Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] Small businesses typically pay more for the same insurance that a large employer might offer. Small businesses will benefit from this legislation, because it will help lower their administrative costs and
insurance rating, and increase options available to them. The House legislation helps level the playing field between large and small businesses that want to offer health insurance.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc (this insures the government can collect extra taxes from you anytime they want)

No, they can only collect the tax if you don’t have insurance and can afford to purchase it. Acceptable coverage includes grandfathered individual and employer coverage (ie what you have now providing your insurance company
complies with new laws), certain government coverage (e.g., Medicare, Medicaid, certain coverage provided to veterans, military employees, retirees, and their families), and coverage obtained pursuant to the Exchange
or an employer offer of coverage.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes.
(Americans will pay) (this will attract more millions to America..... legally and illegally.... it will kill our economic engine....DEAD!)

Nonresident aliens and illegal aliens are not the same thing. A nonresident alien is a non-citizen in the country legally (for example on a visa) who has not resided in the country long enough to be considered a resident. This
provision is consistent with current law governing tax treatment of non resident aliens.

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

The Health Choices Commissioner can receive taxpayer return information from the Internal Revenue Service in order to assist the Exchange in determining subsidy eligibility. This is the only allowable use for this information.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"

Yes, it says that This is a technical wording to ensure appropriate function of the tax under
the tax code.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Completely wrong. This section adjusts the way the sustainable growth rate (SGR) formula is calculated, helping to prevent massive cuts for physicians. All physicians and AMA are in strong support of this section. Also it is for
Medicare, not Medicaid.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid
the same

Again, this still is part of the SGR adjustment- which applies to all specialties. Providers and AMA very strong supporters of this.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

This section directs the Secretary to regularly review fee schedule rates for physician services paid for by Medicare. It allows the secretary to incorporate all the work that a doctor does outside of the procedure when
evaluating fee schedules: such as time, mental effort and professional judgment, technical skill and physical effort, and stress due to risk, and may include validation of the pre, post, and intra-service components of work.
This doesn’t have anything to do with the value of human lives.

PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries (this will kill free enterprise and drive many out of business.... less resources yet available
for the boomers)

This is a complete misreading of what this section is. This section updates the market basket payment for hospital outpatient services. Just because the word productivity is in there doesn’t mean it is mandating productivity of industry – it just holds providers accountable to the same level of
productivity as the whole economy, putting them on a level playing field.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

No, this changes the way Medicare pays for power drive wheelchairs (13 month payments vs. one lump sum). It is essentially rent-to-own for power wheelchairs, and is one of the ways that Medicare already pays for wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

This is the opposite of rationing. This section allows Medicare to pay cancer hospitals more if they are incurring higher costs.

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Preventable readmissions are never desirable. Hospitals are dangerous places, and the more time spent in one, the greater risk of infection or harm to the patient. Right now, hospitals are paid for quantity of care, so the more you are readmitted, the more they get paid. This provision will help incentivize preventative measures and post-treatment coordination of care to keep you healthier.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt
will penalize u.

Preventable readmissions are never desirable. Hospitals are dangerous places, and the more time spent in one, the greater risk of infection or harm to the patient. Right now, hospitals and doctors are paid for quantity of care, so the more you are readmitted, the more they get paid. This will help incentivize preventative measures and post treatment coordination of care to keep you healthier.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs.
what/how much they can own.

This prohibits expansion of physician-owned hospitals because they often drive up costs, duplicate health services, drain resources from community hospitals, and provide perverse incentives for doctors to self-refer patients to
hospitals they have a stake in to perform rocedures. For example, if a doctor self-refers you for a heart operation, he makes money on the
procedure and the hospital he owns makes money too.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

Same as above.

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required.
Can u say ACORN?!!

Physician-owned hospitals can apply for an exception to expand- and input of the community they serve is required to determine how valuable the hospital is to the patients they serve. Why does community automatically mean acorn?

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

This section creates an incentive system to increase payments to high quality Medicare Advantage plans and plans that demonstrate improvement and better outcomes such as reduced readmissions, and better outcomes of its
enrollees. This is about better quality care, not rationed care. A plan that cuts back on care and produces worse outcomes would not receive any extra payment.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing
peeps in2 Govt plan

This only says it can disqualify participating plans from Medicare Advantage. This would not result in seniors being forced into the public
option. They would remain on Medicare (which is, by the way, a government plan).

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

This ensures that chronic condition special needs plans (SNPs) enroll beneficiaries only during their eligibility periods and extends the SNP program through 2012, and extends certain fully integrated dual eligible SNPs through 2015.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone? 84 new govt agencies!

Telehealth is a critical service for rural populations and the disabled who may have difficulty traveling to health centers and hospitals. A committee at HHS does not constitute a new agency. This section expands Medicare’s telehealth benefit to beneficiaries who are receiving care at freestanding dialysis centers (ie very sick patients who have difficulty traveling). It Also establishes a Telehealth Advisory Committee to provide HHS with additional expertise on the telehealth program.

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

There is no mandate for this sort of ounseling. The only mandate is that Medicare must pay for the consultation between patients and practitioners to discuss plans for end-of-life care. These are important individual decisions that take time and consideration, and AARP supports inclusion of this planning provision.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of
atty. Mandatory!

Not mandatory! These are consultations between you and your provider, not the government.

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

CMS will provide planning resources to discuss with your doctor about how you would like to be treated in your final days.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in
how ur life ends

You decide how your life ends- that is the whole point of an advance directive.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients
health deteriorates

Those lines don’t say that.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

No, an order from you for your doctor

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

The bill specifies which categories of licensed health care professionals can write them but not which specific doctor – you can still choose your doctor.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of
life

No, you decide with your doctor

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services= Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

This section is the Medical home pilot program. This in no way refers to acorn.

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

The community based medical home, is targeted at a broader population of Medicare beneficiaries with chronic diseases and allows for State-based or non-profit entities to provide care-management supervised by a beneficiary designated primary care provider. A provision inclusive of all non-profit entities in no way targets ACORN

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in 2 ur marriage

Medicare will now cover state licensed marriage and family therapists. You are not forced to receive these services.

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs
including defining, creating, rationing
those svcs

Medicare will now cover mental health ounselors. It will not ration these services.

http://peters.house.gov/uploads/3200%20Myths.pdf

Here is the rest that brings us up to date!

Dave_M
Lead Moderator, Veterans & Disability Forums

Posted Wed 12 August 2009 05:23 PM
MOD HAT OFF

Ron, I took every line in your post and compared it to the bill. I quit halfway down, as I did not find one right item in the list. You are too lazy to bother to check out the bill so you just call me names and insist I am towing the party line. If you read my post before, you would see that I am not supporting the bill, just the truth. You do not care about the truth, just the politics of Ron.
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Ignored post by Dave_M posted Wed 12 August 2009 05:23 PM

RONCO
PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH...

Super Member

"HB/OF 7"

Posted Wed 12 August 2009 05:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dave_M:
RESPONSES TO MYTHS CONCERNING HR 3200
False claims on H.R. 3200, the healthcare reform bill in the U.S. House, are growing
increasingly widespread, especially on the Internet and in forwarded emails. Below you
will find passages from one such widely forwarded email. Each passage claims to
describe a specific page or section of the bill, and each passage is either partially or
wholly untrue. In bold beneath each claim we describe what each section of the bill
actually addresses.

This is a prime example of the sort of misinformation being circulated. There are
legitimate disagreements over what shape health care reform should take, but the
discussion should center on facts and not misleading or false claims.

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Page 22 of H.R. 3200 requests a study, not an audit, of the effects to which rating rules are likely to cause adverse selection in the large group market and employer self insurance market insurance market. This does not require an audit of ALL employers that self insure

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits u get

Nothing in the bill infringes upon you and your doctor’s ability to make medical decisions. The National Health Benefits Advisory Council is ot a “government committee” but is made up of providers, consumer representatives, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, independent
experts and representatives of government agencies. They will make recommendations about minimum standards of care and covered benefits
that insurance companies have to offer-ensuring that everyone has a health plan that provides them with adequate coverage.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

This is a misreading of the text. This section limits the amount of out-of pocket costs you will face to $5,000 for an individual and 10,000 (indexed to CPI) for a family for a basic package of care. This ensures you have access to affordable care and won’t go bankrupt paying for it.

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices cmmissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

The Health Choices Commissioner is charged with ensuring insurance plans are meeting regulations and minimum standards as well as administering affordability credits and monitoring the exchange. Nothing in this section or in the larger bill permits the Health Choices Commissioner to choose your
benefits for you

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or
otherwise

This is blatantly false. This section prohibits insurance companies from discriminating against persons when issuing coverage, and has nothing to do with government subsidized coverage to illegal immigrants. The bill explicitly states that no Federal payments will be used for ffordability credits for illegal immigrants. (P. 143, sec. 246).

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individuals' finances & a National ID
Healthcard will be issued!

This section says nothing about a National ID health card, or accessing your personal financial information. This section promotes administrative simplification- for example being able to look up your insurance coverage
and determine how much you will pay and which provider your insurance will accept, at the point of service. This saves money and gives you, the consumer, information about what you will owe at the front end, rather than being denied or getting a surprise bill from your insurance company weeks after your treatment.

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds
transfer

This section encourages the development of standards to encourage electronic payments between providers and insurance companies. Administrative simplification measures like these save billions of dollars. Nothing will give the government access to your bank account.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

This section provides a limited reimbursement for participating employment based private plans for part of the cost of providing health benefits to retirees (age 55-64) and their families. People who have been forced into
early retirement in this age group do not qualify for Medicare and this will help them stay on their employer provided, private insurance plan if their employer wants to participate. Participation is voluntary. This is for all early retirees, and no language targets the provision towards unions or
acorn.

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt
control.

The bill imposes new regulations on private health care plans that will force them to end unethical practices such as rescissions or denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. The Exchange will improve the quality of coverage and increase the affordability of private insurers in the Exchange.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the
Exchange

Insurance companies in the Exchange will have to offer a basic benefit packages in every service area. This package will include basic care such as hospitalization, physician visits, medical equipment, mental health, preventative care, maternity and well baby care, and drugs – services that anyone would expect a real insurance policy to cover. Private insurers may
offer a higher tier of coverage with more benefits that are not mandated by the government if they choose.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur
Healthcare!

No, this determines the minimum standards insurance companies must offer coverage for- it has nothing to do with rationing. Private plans can offer extra benefits like dental or vision coverage for adults, or other non-covered benefits that are not included in the basic level plan.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4
illegal aliens

The bill requires plans in the Exchange to offer culturally and linguistic appropriate services. The U.S. is a diverse country ulturally and linguistically. Many legal residents and citizens of the U.S. speak other
languages, and implying that everyone of a different culture in the U.S. is here illegally is intolerant and incorrect. The bill xplicitly states that it will not subsidize coverage for illegal immigrants. (P. 143, sec. 246).

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign
up indiv. for Govt HC plan

The Health Choices Commissioner will conduct outreach and enrollment activities to educate Exchange-eligible individuals and businesses about enrollment in the new Exchange, which includes many private plans along with the public option. This includes a toll-free hotline, maintenance of a website, creation of outreach materials, and community locations for
enrollment.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

This section has nothing to do with seniors or Medicare. It describes the minimum benefits insurance plans must offer under the Exchange.

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

Current law allows individuals to be auto-nrolled in Medicaid if they show up for health services and are eligible, so this is not a radical change. Only individuals that fall under 133% of the poverty level who have not had health insurance for six months will be auto-enrolled.

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review"
against Govt Monop

There is no judical or administrative review for the payment rates set for the public option.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

This section outlines payment policies for physicians participating in the public option only. No physician has to take the public option.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

No. You get to choose your health insurance from the choices your employer offers you. If you fail to do so, your employer will auto-enroll you in the lowest premium health plan (for employees) unless or until you opt into a
different plan. You could not be auto-enrolled into the public option in the vast majority of cases because the public option is not even available outside the Exchange (only to individuals and small businesses). The bill specifically mandates that employers provide employees with info on how to opt out of
the auto-enrollment coverage.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.(this will insure bankruptcies of many small businesses)

Employers will only pay a proportion of what they must pay for full-time employees. There is also a tax credit equal to 50% of the amount paid by a small employer for employee health coverage available to help with these costs and other protections to ensure that new equirements don’t cause undue hardship for small businesses.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll (this will insure more bankruptcies of many small businesses)

All businesses, except [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] some small businesses that are exempted, must contribute to their employees’ health insurance.[Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] Most employers that are required to provide coverage
under this bill already provide coverage—so little will change for them under this bill. they will continue to offer the coverage that they do today, and will not pay a tax. Some employers may choose to do so through the Exchange, [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] but no employer nor employees will [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] be forced to choose [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] any option.

Employers that don’t contribute to employees’ health care will make a contribution to the Exchange, so their employees can access coverage there.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesn't prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll (this will insure even more bankruptcies of many small businesses)

All businesses, except [Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] certain small businesses that are exempted, must contribute to their employees’ health insurance.
[Brooks-LaSure, Chiquita] Small businesses typically pay more for the same insurance that a large employer might offer. Small businesses will benefit from this legislation, because it will help lower their administrative costs and
insurance rating, and increase options available to them. The House legislation helps level the playing field between large and small businesses that want to offer health insurance.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc (this insures the government can collect extra taxes from you anytime they want)

No, they can only collect the tax if you don’t have insurance and can afford to purchase it. Acceptable coverage includes grandfathered individual and employer coverage (ie what you have now providing your insurance company
complies with new laws), certain government coverage (e.g., Medicare, Medicaid, certain coverage provided to veterans, military employees, retirees, and their families), and coverage obtained pursuant to the Exchange
or an employer offer of coverage.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes.
(Americans will pay) (this will attract more millions to America..... legally and illegally.... it will kill our economic engine....DEAD!)

Nonresident aliens and illegal aliens are not the same thing. A nonresident alien is a non-citizen in the country legally (for example on a visa) who has not resided in the country long enough to be considered a resident. This
provision is consistent with current law governing tax treatment of non resident aliens.

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

The Health Choices Commissioner can receive taxpayer return information from the Internal Revenue Service in order to assist the Exchange in determining subsidy eligibility. This is the only allowable use for this information.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"

Yes, it says that This is a technical wording to ensure appropriate function of the tax under
the tax code.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Completely wrong. This section adjusts the way the sustainable growth rate (SGR) formula is calculated, helping to prevent massive cuts for physicians. All physicians and AMA are in strong support of this section. Also it is for
Medicare, not Medicaid.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid
the same

Again, this still is part of the SGR adjustment- which applies to all specialties. Providers and AMA very strong supporters of this.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

This section directs the Secretary to regularly review fee schedule rates for physician services paid for by Medicare. It allows the secretary to incorporate all the work that a doctor does outside of the procedure when
evaluating fee schedules: such as time, mental effort and professional judgment, technical skill and physical effort, and stress due to risk, and may include validation of the pre, post, and intra-service components of work.
This doesn’t have anything to do with the value of human lives.

PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries (this will kill free enterprise and drive many out of business.... less resources yet available
for the boomers)

This is a complete misreading of what this section is. This section updates the market basket payment for hospital outpatient services. Just because the word productivity is in there doesn’t mean it is mandating productivity of industry – it just holds providers accountable to the same level of
productivity as the whole economy, putting them on a level playing field.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

No, this changes the way Medicare pays for power drive wheelchairs (13 month payments vs. one lump sum). It is essentially rent-to-own for power wheelchairs, and is one of the ways that Medicare already pays for wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

This is the opposite of rationing. This section allows Medicare to pay cancer hospitals more if they are incurring higher costs.

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Preventable readmissions are never desirable. Hospitals are dangerous places, and the more time spent in one, the greater risk of infection or harm to the patient. Right now, hospitals are paid for quantity of care, so the more you are readmitted, the more they get paid. This provision will help incentivize preventative measures and post-treatment coordination of care to keep you healthier.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt
will penalize u.

Preventable readmissions are never desirable. Hospitals are dangerous places, and the more time spent in one, the greater risk of infection or harm to the patient. Right now, hospitals and doctors are paid for quantity of care, so the more you are readmitted, the more they get paid. This will help incentivize preventative measures and post treatment coordination of care to keep you healthier.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs.
what/how much they can own.

This prohibits expansion of physician-owned hospitals because they often drive up costs, duplicate health services, drain resources from community hospitals, and provide perverse incentives for doctors to self-refer patients to
hospitals they have a stake in to perform rocedures. For example, if a doctor self-refers you for a heart operation, he makes money on the
procedure and the hospital he owns makes money too.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

Same as above.

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required.
Can u say ACORN?!!

Physician-owned hospitals can apply for an exception to expand- and input of the community they serve is required to determine how valuable the hospital is to the patients they serve. Why does community automatically mean acorn?

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

This section creates an incentive system to increase payments to high quality Medicare Advantage plans and plans that demonstrate improvement and better outcomes such as reduced readmissions, and better outcomes of its
enrollees. This is about better quality care, not rationed care. A plan that cuts back on care and produces worse outcomes would not receive any extra payment.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing
peeps in2 Govt plan

This only says it can disqualify participating plans from Medicare Advantage. This would not result in seniors being forced into the public
option. They would remain on Medicare (which is, by the way, a government plan).

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

This ensures that chronic condition special needs plans (SNPs) enroll beneficiaries only during their eligibility periods and extends the SNP program through 2012, and extends certain fully integrated dual eligible SNPs through 2015.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone? 84 new govt agencies!

Telehealth is a critical service for rural populations and the disabled who may have difficulty traveling to health centers and hospitals. A committee at HHS does not constitute a new agency. This section expands Medicare’s telehealth benefit to beneficiaries who are receiving care at freestanding dialysis centers (ie very sick patients who have difficulty traveling). It Also establishes a Telehealth Advisory Committee to provide HHS with additional expertise on the telehealth program.

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

There is no mandate for this sort of ounseling. The only mandate is that Medicare must pay for the consultation between patients and practitioners to discuss plans for end-of-life care. These are important individual decisions that take time and consideration, and AARP supports inclusion of this planning provision.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of
atty. Mandatory!

Not mandatory! These are consultations between you and your provider, not the government.

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

CMS will provide planning resources to discuss with your doctor about how you would like to be treated in your final days.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in
how ur life ends

You decide how your life ends- that is the whole point of an advance directive.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients
health deteriorates

Those lines don’t say that.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

No, an order from you for your doctor

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

The bill specifies which categories of licensed health care professionals can write them but not which specific doctor – you can still choose your doctor.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of
life

No, you decide with your doctor

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services= Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

This section is the Medical home pilot program. This in no way refers to acorn.

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

The community based medical home, is targeted at a broader population of Medicare beneficiaries with chronic diseases and allows for State-based or non-profit entities to provide care-management supervised by a beneficiary designated primary care provider. A provision inclusive of all non-profit entities in no way targets ACORN

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in 2 ur marriage

Medicare will now cover state licensed marriage and family therapists. You are not forced to receive these services.

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs
including defining, creating, rationing
those svcs

Medicare will now cover mental health ounselors. It will not ration these services.

http://peters.house.gov/uploads/3200%20Myths.pdf


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DON'T TRY TO LECTURE ME JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MOD...I CAN SAY WHAT I BELIEVE WITHOUT FEAR OF YOUR ADMONITIONS, MISTER...SO HERE GOES

HERE ARE A FEW MYTHS THAT I SEE BEING DEBUNKED DAILY BY YOUR PRESIDENT EVERY DAY ON TV AND IN THE STATE RUN NEWSPAPERS:

OBOMBA HEALTHCARE IS REVENUE NEUTRAL

OBOMBA IS NOT FOR A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM

ANYONE CAN KEEP THEIR PRESENT COVERAGE IF THEY WANT TO

AARP, DOCTORS AND MOST AMERICANS FAVOR CHANGING OUR HEALTHCARE

HEALTHCARE IS OUR MOST PRESSING NATIONAL ISSUE

THIS CHARALATAN IS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE HIS DAILY LIES

"FORGET WHAT THEY SAY, WATCH WHAT THEY DO"
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Ignored post by RONCO posted Wed 12 August 2009 05:24 PM

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Posted Wed 12 August 2009 05:53 PM
quote:
DON'T TRY TO LECTURE ME JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MOD...I CAN SAY WHAT I BELIEVE WITHOUT FEAR OF YOUR ADMONITIONS, MISTER...SO HERE GOES
Ronco, I'm not sure that is a true statement. You have a right to disagree agree with Dave_M he posted without his moderator's hat off. But you attacked him as a moderator. That is against the rules and you know better.

I would strongly recommend you reconsider that statement.

OAL

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OK now the debate...
Remember your are entering at your own risk. Keep TOS in mind.

DaveBarker

The health care proposed by the House and Senate will not have an impact on Vets or Retired military. Say what you may but Obama is taking care of us and at least has us fighting the correct war.

quote:

Originally posted by 9907442:
The health care proposed by the House and Senate will not have an impact on Vets or Retired military. Say what you may but Obama is taking care of us and at least has us fighting the correct war.

HEY NUMBERS...YER LATE FOR THE UNION MEETING

NO PROFILE ...NO CREDIBILITY

Just say NO....to social healthcare. It's un-American and no one wants it anyway, except for those few that are dragged by bus to these town hall meetings to make it 'seem' to the media that there are citizens that are for it...

This forum is a great place to be puttimg up honest replies. Let's not let this discussion wind up in proverbial toilet.

Thanks

I used to think Universal Healthcare was the way to go. After reading about countries that have it...I no longer want it!

Until you have paid for health insurance you may not appreaciate the costs. My wife's part of our small company policy increased 35% last year from $800 a month to over $1300 a month. See grew a year older, but nothing else changed. The basis was she had a heart valve replaced 6 years ago. I believe we need to change the system because private insurance has not real competition. The option is for a small business to change plans every year to get the deal they offer to new customers. That is a lot of work for everyone.

I get my care from the VA and Medicare. It is the government. It is top notch care. If I did not have medicare my premiums would also be close to my wife's. That would take my entire monthly VA check to pay for health insurance. In 2006 our combined premiums where a little over $1,000.

I believe we need health care reform, but I don't believe social health care is the solution. Perhaps if we fixed the economy first and then deal with health care.

quote:

I get my care from the VA and Medicare. It is the government.

YOU SOMEHOW FORGET (OR FAIL TO UNDERSTAND) THAT BOTH ARE BADLY UNDERFUNDED AND BOTH WOULD LIKELY DISAPPEAR IF SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE WAS PASSED.

YOU THINK ALL VETS GET TOP KNOTCH CARE AT THE VA

WAKE UP...THE COFFEE IS BURNING

Thu Aug 13, 1:55 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Key senators are excluding a provision on end-of-life care from health overhaul legislation after language in a House bill caused a furor.

Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Thursday that the provision had been dropped from consideration because it could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly.

A health care bill passed by three House committees allows Medicare to reimburse doctors for voluntary counseling sessions about end-of-life decisions. But critics have claimed the provision could lead to death panels and euthanasia for seniors.

The Senate Finance Committee is still working to complete a bill.

IF THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS FOR DEATH PANELS...WHY ARE THEY TAKING THIS OUT

WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION

quote:

Originally posted by RONCO:
Thu Aug 13, 1:55 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Key senators are excluding a provision on end-of-life care from health overhaul legislation after language in a House bill caused a furor.

Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Thursday that the provision had been dropped from consideration because it could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly.

A health care bill passed by three House committees allows Medicare to reimburse doctors for voluntary counseling sessions about end-of-life decisions. But critics have claimed the provision could lead to death panels and euthanasia for seniors.

The Senate Finance Committee is still working to complete a bill.

IF THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS FOR DEATH PANELS...WHY ARE THEY TAKING THIS OUT

WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION

Good to see you around again.

and you don't really think they're schiting us do you? Naaaaaah, they wouldn't do that, they have our best interest at heart. Trust me.

Here are some facts. The various States have all passed laws regulating Inisrance AND have established State Insurance Departments. Every State I have looked into does NOT alow an increase in premiums for an INDIVIGUAL'S health problems NOR does it permit cancellation for changes in health conditions.

They DO alow premium changes for increased AGE and for actual experience across a CLASS OF BUSINESS and by the AREA in which you live! Some States (NYS and others) limit territories to frwer that a half dozen and permit only a single "age group" classification.


Further, all States REGULATE THE PREMIUMS to be sure they are not excessive or inadequate to the point of damaging the required cash reserves. THEY regulate the WORDING of the policies and require SPECIFIC language for both COVERAGE and exclusions.

Now, if there is an issue with Ins. Co. behavior, you can register a complaint with the STATE INS. DEPT..And they just can't wait to shove it to the Company. If you have a SHAdow of a case, YOU WIN! You must be completely all wet, to the bone, to lose.

This supposed HC power grab has the EXACT OPPOSITE attitude in the '"Public Option", you can't sue, you can't appeal, whatever the Gvt. Blesses you with, you live or die with.

This bill/idea is a blatant end run around the Constitution. The most obvious is the 10th Amendment. Unless you can show me where the Constitution specifically alows for Government Health Insurance.

YOU keep it, keep it AWAY from my family and me.