With the idea and some ships implementing the combining of radio and CIC...will the billet's ever change from being Radio billet and or CIC billet to just "OS" billets onboard a ship?

I for one like the idea of every OS required to be qualified in all the OS related jobs onboard the ship and not seperating the two shops. However its been a tough sell to certain individuals that do not review or even know about our rating force notes or even the future path of our rate. I can talk till im blue in the face, yet certain unmentionables still like seperating the os's into the two seperate shops solely becuase their "billet" is for either radio or CIC and not both.

For the past few months, i do have all OS's even the new bootcampers qualified in CIC but not everyone is qualified in radio as of yet (that wont come until this transfer season) so i am working towards a more unified division.

OS1 H.

Jade;
Any billet being a CIC or Radio billet is just a figment of peoples imagination. If anyone takes a look at the MTL or the Position Required Competencies, as I have written about MANY MANY times, you will not find ANY indication if the billet is a Radio or CIC billet. Just becuase Fred relieved Sam who relieved Hank, who was an RD doesn't make it a CIC billet.
If you are in a position to ask the 'whoever,' ask them what makes them think a billet is a CIC billet. Now - some of those changes are a little new, so they might be surprised when they look for it.

I had two majors goals that I wanted to make sure I completed to personally consider my job in this billet a success. The first one was to properly define what an OS is. I have done that with the new EPQs that take full effect this Friday. The second one is just what you are talking about and that is to get rid of the two (and ashore sometimes 3 or 4) shop mentality. I believe we have given the folks in the field you allude to every oppurtunity to step up and do the right thing IAW the entire JRR process. Too many have failed to do so. The failure is seldom in our Petty Officers. It is our Chiefs, Senior Chiefs, Master Chiefs, JOs, CDRs and Capts (and up) that have failed our Petty Officers and the fleet of today and in the future. I have a few tools left, most of which fall under the 'nuclear option.' I am prepared to use those option if I need too.

Keep up the fight and the great attitude.
MC

OS1,

I sent you copies of memos from AT that define the CIC/COMMCEN role. Use these to push your point through your OSC's, and I would sugest that during the TACT patrols you will have, move the personnel around to ensure that everyone has some fun with the radios and the EW eqiupment. This will force everyone to truly know all aspects of the rate.

OSC Nolan

Or sic the Force Manager on them :P

Thanks you all.

It's not OSC's that are not taking this change to heart. Its the JO's and up that don't forsee the future. I understand that it takes everyone awhile to get used to a change. But come on, WE as the Chiefs and 1st's are the front line supervisors and have been around a while doing this job and know whats good for the rate and whats not. So with that, i just wish the "higher ups" would take that into consideration.

I dont know why, but it just irritates me when "they" say....oh new guy/gal coming PCS is billeted for radio or CIC. SO WHAT, all of them are going to get qual'd in every position anyway. Why do they even waste their breath telling me where they are assigned to. Oh and at quarters, the commo takes the radio guys and the CICO takes the CIC folks into seperate groups and discuss thier respective issues instead of getting together as one big happy family and talking about everything. "They" still do this even after i have spoke of how it will benefit ALL os's onboard if we get together as one and speak about all issues. I guess i am bound and determined to talk till im blue in the face. No worries though, it will all change this transfer season as the 2nd yr jo's will leave and new one's will arise.

OS1 H.

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the commo takes the radio guys and the CICO takes the CIC folks into seperate groups and discuss thier respective issues instead of getting together as one big happy family and talking about everything

oooh, I like that comment. I will use that next week as an example of the crap going on when I brief some flags.

Here on the Dallas I drafted up a memo and forwarded it all the way up the chain with help from my OSC and the OSCS. As of right now everyone who is new is breaking in both shops (standing 5 on 10 off). It seems to be working pretty well. We're having them use the new U/w PQS. It's just now being implemented but I'll let you all know how it goes in the future. If you have any questions feel free to shoot me an email.


Kev


OS1 Landry
LPO Comms (yep I said LPO of comms, I only mark qual'd radio personnel )

P.s. Nice pic in the reserve magazine MC

Here on the Dallas I drafted up a memo and forwarded it all the way up the chain with help from my OSC and the OSCS. As of right now everyone who is new is breaking in both shops (standing 5 on 10 off). It seems to be working pretty well. We're having them use the new U/w PQS. It's just now being implemented but I'll let you all know how it goes in the future. If you have any questions feel free to shoot me an email.


Kev


OS1 Landry
LPO Comms (yep I said LPO of comms, I only mark qual'd radio personnel )

P.s. Nice pic in the reserve magazine MC :Appl

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Originally posted by jade9202:
With the idea and some ships implementing the combining of radio and CIC...will the billet's ever change from being Radio billet and or CIC billet to just "OS" billets onboard a ship?

I for one like the idea of every OS required to be qualified in all the OS related jobs onboard the ship and not seperating the two shops. However its been a tough sell to certain individuals that do not review or even know about our rating force notes or even the future path of our rate. I can talk till im blue in the face, yet certain unmentionables still like seperating the os's into the two seperate shops solely becuase their "billet" is for either radio or CIC and not both.

For the past few months, i do have all OS's even the new bootcampers qualified in CIC but not everyone is qualified in radio as of yet (that wont come until this transfer season) so i am working towards a more unified division.

OS1 H.

Hey Jade, you think it's hard on a 270, try a 378 where we can't lock up radio

OSC NOlan..
THanks for the emails.

As far as locking up radio. We haven't been able to do it yet, Fully. Each patrol we decide to do it, 2-way FSM ends up screwing up and on top of that; one certain individual wants a body to view the inside of the space EVERY hour to ensure the space doesn't fall victim of a flood or fire. Now i do know of other 270's who do a round down there every 4 hrs and apparently thats fine. I guess its up to the individual's comfort factor seing how its thier ship.

OS1 H.

Hey Kevin, I got more bad news for you. I now know BOTH your CO and your XO very well. If you don't keep in line, I got you by the short hairs!
Your CO was mine when I was a First Class. Both are very open minded folks who will thoughtfully consider all proposals with an open mind.

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
Hey Kevin, I got more bad news for you. I now know BOTH your CO and your XO very well. If you don't keep in line, I got you by the short hairs!
Your CO was mine when I was a First Class. Both are very open minded folks who will thoughtfully consider all proposals with an open mind.

MC, I'm assuming you're talking about our new CO correct? As of right now our command is looking awesome.

I didn't think my CO nor my XO was old enough to have been yours

You XO is older than dirt! He has corns on his toes older than I am! (Feel free to share that). And yes - I mean Capt Wagner.

Im suprised the Commo or the Cico have the balls to think they can dictacte policy.
When I was on a 378 those were ENSs straight out of accademy, no way our chiefs allowed them to over ride their decisions.
I can only suggest you start thorwing CG policy at them till they get it right.
Cant have officers like that roaming the CG, oh wait we do nvm :P


PS: Hows things going Kev give me a shout some time :P

Not sure if this is on every 270 or even 378's however we are over billeted by one JO. Normally if we were not, the CICO would share the COMMO duties with the radio Chief. However since we have that extra JO...that extra has become COMMO (one reason i believe and have been told is due in part that the extra JO needs to have some type of dept/division for thier OER's) or else they would remain useless. I dont believe its the JO's that are necessarily dictating...It appears that they just "dont know any better". Now thats where i come in and try and educate on how things "should be, or work better". I am making progress, its just very slow progress right now. I've got till transfer 09 to make it right for the new OS1 to replace me.

OS1 H.

Keep up the good fight, man. Nice to see people like trying to makes things right and try and change things from "this is the way its always been done" mentality.

We're doing pretty good on crosstraining both shops on the Midgett. I think the biggest obstical to overcome is that door that seperates the two shops. I may be repeating what someone else already said, because I didnt read this entire thread. I spoke to Mr. Potter who was here recently to perform an inspection, and he brought up a good point. If you qualify in both shops, then something goes wrong in, lets just say, the world of DAMA, who's gona be that expert? Who's gona be that guy who deals with it every day? You can point all you want and say everyone should be an expert thats qualified, but I think thats just being unrealistic.

Being on the Midgett and seeing how much the shops have accepted the idea of crosstraining has been amazing. When I came here 3 years ago, the shops hated eachother it seemed. Now, we work together in every aspect, from briefs to setting up comms plans. Its pretty amazing. Plus, everyone is just generally happier.

I think changing the chain of command structure a bit would be a big help for the 378 fleet. I think 1 OSCS, 1 OSC, 2 OS1's, 4 OS2's and 8 OS3's would be pretty good. Split half the E-5 and below between the OS1's for admin crap, and you have an effective Chain, without the mentality of a Radio OSC and a CIC OSC.

Like I said, didnt read previous threads on this post, but just wanted to throw my ideas out there to let you all know whats goin on up here in rainy Seattle

Oh, and maybe a warant officer to replace the CICO/COMMO?

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Oh, and maybe a warant officer to replace the CICO/COMMO?

Dream on Tony... you aint getting rid of the Ensign that easy!!!

on a 270, do we really need 2 OSC's? If we are overbilliting the 270's by 1 JO, then why have 2 OSC's.

....Heck, on the 270; i wish that we could move the ET shop down to radio and bring radio up to the back of CIC where everyone can be involved in all of the evolutions, thus not creating a barrier (door) or several decks between the OS's. I can only fathom how much that would cost...but hey we are already trying to maintain these ships well past thier intended life span, so lets do it.

OS1 H.