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I've been there and done that. Deckie on a 180. Stand double 4 - 8's and work buoys until sun down, then commence cleaning the buoy deck or pulling into port and having duty... standing 8 - 12's or 6 - 12's in port. I don't see anyone on this particular post complaining about standing watch, more so conversing. Relax yourself and have a beer, Chief "E L S".  |
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Sorry MC I'm allergic to sun light and interactions with the District staff causes me to break out in hives :P |
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I dont want to hear any whining about District staffs - I spent three years at the HQ CC. I'll have Miss Walker cut you orders there!  |
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Now that was a low blow MC :P
I promise to behave  I have made it my goal to stay as far away from Areas and HQ as possible. With 2 tours left I have hi hopes of maintaining that record. knock on wood |
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Beatitupright,
I totally agree with you on the "higher ups" do not need to be involved as much as they are. Thats why we have Chiefs and 1st class's trying to make chief. Yet i have had it explained to me that they fill up thier OER's. (Thats a whole other story) PALL...I dont believe anyone is making a clash between land and u/w OS watchstanding. We, meaning anyone over 4 years of service hopefully have experienced both sides of the fence and both do have thier perks and both have their downsides. As MC stated, no matter which way you look at it....you end up standing the same amount of watches. A while back i had a group of 2nd and 3rd's that wanted to play the "lets change the schedule every few weeks to see if we can get a better schedule"....well i went along with it and eventually they ended up complaining about not being consistent. I guess they had to learn the hard way. |
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31 DAYS FOR DAY WORKERS= 184 Subtract 31 hours for lunch Subtract 15.5 hours for half-days on Fridays. Subtract that 8 hours per month for a Federal holiday. Not to mention the doctor's appointments, morale events, and just general schittz and giggles days off for day workers equates to roughly 129.5 days of work which subsequently equates to roughly 30 hours of work a week for day workers. And that's on the generous side. Spin it anyway you want to my friends, the numbers/figures are there. Day workers work a tremendous amount less than those who are on the watch. In conclusion, the definition of “significant periods of unusually extensive working hours” is so subjective. Relative to Day Workers, YES…watch standers ARE working “unusually extensive working hours.” (Not to mention those hours are all in an isolated environment) |
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Pedantic,
You forgot to add a few other deductions to the day workers monthly total, such as: Comming in late, getting breakfast on the way, calling in sick, studying for SWE, bad weather days, boss isn't here day, last minute leave day, going away luncheon day....  |
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So working 1 month of day watches and 1 month of mid watches is better your'e saying? How can that be possible?? If I am working mids for 2 weeks, do you really think that on my days off that I am keeping that same sleep pattern - yeah right! "No honey, I won't be going to bed until you leave for work tomorrow morning!" "Sweet child, Mommy can't pick you up after school because I'll be sleeping." Give me a break! I don't know anyone that does that. Most watchstanders I know "prepare" for watch the day before.. So if they have mids on lets say Tuesday, then Monday night, they will stay up as late as they can so they can sleep during the day the next day. BTW - I've been standing 12 hour watches since 1994 and we have ALWAYS stood 4 on 4 off!!! Yes, Even at Camslant! 2 days 2 mids 4 off... After your 2nd days watch you stay up late to "prepare" for tomorrows mid. Just my "OLD" self giving my opinion! Like or not. |
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Oh yeah, I was going to add those but then that would put the actual day workers at 31 DAYS FOR DAY WORKERS= Subtracting all the other "official" liberty, special liberty, earned liberty, accrued liberty, sick liberty, training liberty, ceremonial liberty, promotion liberty, educational liberty, snow-day liberty, transfer liberty, so on and so forth... =103.50 hrs = 25.875 per week SCORE Dayworkers: ONE Watchstanders: ZERO |
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I love the mid-watch!
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I'm not even in yet and find that is as funny as all get up! |
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Don't worry about that LT. She didn't make O-4 this year and I would bet a grand on it she won't make it next year either! Better start looking for a j-o-b lady!!! |
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I'll take that bet, what's her name? |
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I'll contact you when I don't see her name on the list! |
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Shipmates, do me a favor and take that kind f discussion off to the side. Cracking on a specific JO and reveling in their failures isn't the best example of our Core Values.
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Yes, doing month of days, month of mids is better for your circadian rythms. However, I will agree that there are VERY few that will keep the schedule all month. I have a couple here that will do it but they are also single, no GF or kids to have to worry about. Most around here when prepping for a mid don't change anything. They will just take a nap prior to coming in for the mid. I myself stay up until at least 4am to prepare and sleep until at least noon, some times later if the wife and kids will let me. Been doing this 12 hour thing for 14 out of the last 17 years. Been a day worker for the last year and our schedule hear is the best I have ever seen. Is just my opinion though. Have a nice day all. Josh |
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Speaking of mid watches...2am got 4 more hours to go then an hour drive home in traffic. Thank God for coffee otherwise I would be passed out on the floor. I think I'm going to put in for warrant. I'm so over watchstanding...ZZzzzzz...*slams head on desk*...I'm awake I'm awake!
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We're OSs there is no such thing as not standing watch no matter what rank you make. :P There are OSS billets at Command Centers now, and they are watchstanding billets. Not to ping on you but I think its funny that people think that just because the advance that they dont have to stand watch. Sry people but guess you shouldnt have gone OS if you didnt want to stand watch :P |
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That's not accurate at all actually. There are plenty of E-8's and above who will never have to stand another watch the rest of their career.
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Actually, that is very accurate, except for their being OSS billets as watchstanders. There are NO OSS bilets as WSs anywhere in the CG. There may be some assigned by the command to stand duty, which is the responsibility of any member of the wardroom for any command. A vast majority of our OSCS billets require standing watch. Any E-8 who does more than one tour will find themselves standing watch as an E-8. Several E-9s in E-9 billets find themselves standing watch. |
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Military.com Forums Coast Guard Discussions Operations Specialist (OS) Don't Like Mid-Watches?
