Hey, does anyone have "billets" for their CDOs? We're working this as a collateral right now, but the requirements put forth in the CCPM makes getting a decent pool of folks a challenge.
Sean; We are looking at that very, very closely. Very few if any actual bilets right now. An ALCOAST is in the very early drafting stages right now that will address this issue. Here are some of the topics of discussion:
1. Should the CDO be a Master level Command Center watchstander or an Apprentice/Journeyman Level Command Represtative? If you don't like that fancy language, should it be a Chief or a JO? Does not make a lot of sense to have a MarkI Mod0 Chief be relieved at watch relief by a MarkI Mod0 Ltjg. 2. What are the pyramid and professional development implications of each option? 3. What options are more palatable to those things above than having a CDO? Are there better watch organizations than we have now? If we decide to make either the OU or SU position a 'senior' position to the other, and slightly reorg their responsibilities, would that be better? 4. Is the SECTOR COMMANDERs OU and SU overloaded becuase they are being treated like Ps SU and Rs OU? (or Os OU and Ms SU) Is that the reason why a CDO is needed?
Just remember a Civilian Sar Controller with 15+ years of SAR will only be a journeyman where a JO with 2 years in the CG with no SAR expierence will be the "MASTER". Go figure.
NJ; Although a few people may seem to think that way, that is not the leaderships position. There is a distinct difference between who must salute whom and who is a A/J/M. Note in my post above, I was very specific to say a Chief would be a master CC Watchstander and a JO a A/J Command Level Rep. (The Chief would be along the line of a J/M Command Level Rep)
Now, we do not have any SAR Controllers in the CG. That is something we are working on as far as the PDs go. That said, the civilian positions are hired as JOURNEYMAN level watchstanders. They may have Master level capabilities, but their job is a Journeyman. They took the job. We are trying to see if there are ways to build in upward mobility for the GS, but I am hesitant in taking away senior enlisted positions just for that purpose.
Originally posted by njboater: Just remember a Civilian Sar Controller with 15+ years of SAR will only be a journeyman where a JO with 2 years in the CG with no SAR expierence will be the "MASTER". Go figure.
We at Hampton Roads have about 5 OS1's and 1 OS2 on the SU watch, and for the OU we have 2 civilians, about 4 OS1's, 1 OSC, 1 OSCS and a load of JO's. Keep in mind though that every OS at Hampton Roads has to be qualified and standing watches in at least 2 watch positions and keep a proficiency in both. i.e. I'm the comms watch supervisor but have to stand proficiency watches in the SIT Unit twice a month, and 2 watches as a comms watch stander 2 times per month.
At my sector we have three OS1's and two OS2's that stand a SDO watch, we do SU and OU work. The watch floor is comprised of the CDO (jo's or civilians), SDO, VTS watchstander, and Comms.
Once upon a time not long ago I was at Sector North Carolina where we had 3 day working Chiefs, 1 day working civilian, 1 day working 2nd and a dayworking 1st class, and 1 day working LT. ALL in the command center. 3 OS2's, 1 Civilian and a OS1 standing OUC, 2 OS1's and 1 OS2 standing SUC. 7 OS2's and 2 OS3's on CUC. 1 OSC, 2 OS1's and 2 Civilians standing CDO. Who is the "master" or the "journeyman" I dunno but as 1 of the members of that team I would say most everyone was EXACTLY where they needed to be. Rank should not be the only factor in deciding where to place each member.
Originally posted by Jehoash: I know here, the OUC position has a very light load as compared to SUC. SUC does everything but SAR. Every call not relating to SAR is fielded by SUC.
Well, I guess we can't expect everyone to follow fairly clear orders from the COMDT. O-6 Sector Commanders are no exception.
Originally posted by Jehoash: I know here, the OUC position has a very light load as compared to SUC. SUC does everything but SAR. Every call not relating to SAR is fielded by SUC.
All depends on where you go. At St Pete. the SUC and OUC were extremely busy. In NC the SUC cruises through the day only working a 10hr shift and is "on call" after hours but there is rarely if anything that has ever in 3 yrs required a call. The OUC does pretty much everything. The CDO is nothing more than a buffer, briefer, and decider believe me. I think my opinion is fair I have stood them all in my tenure.
Sector Anchorage Well there is no SUC watch. There is always only 1 OUC 12 hour watch and 1 duty CDO that is not always in the command center. Plus the CDO duty is only thier collateral duty. We turned SECTOR just 2 years ago and most people still have the M mentality.
